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Daniel Fiske (bef. 1208)

Daniel Fiske aka Fisc
Born before in Laxfield, Suffolk, Englandmap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
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Died [date unknown] in Laxfield, Suffolk, Englandmap
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Biography

The only thing known about Daniel Fisc is that he was one of a number of people who received a grant of land in Laxfield, Suffolk from the Duke of Lorraine dated 1 May 1208.[1] F.C. Pierce in his influential Fiske genealogy claimed that "according to Heralds visitations" (without citing anything in particular), a "Symond Fiske, Lord of the Manor of Stadhaugh" was "probably" the grandson of this Daniel Fisc.[2] However, the Fiske family employed H.G. Somerby as their researcher, and Somerby is well documented to be a prolific genealogical forger, so such unsourced statements must be approached with extreme skepticism, particularly since Symond Fiske and Daniel Fisc lived almost 200 years apart. None of the known Suffolk visitations contain such a claim (Fiske of Stadhow is mentioned in a 1634 Hertfordshire visitation and given as an additional pedigree in one edition of the Suffolk visitations[3]) and it would be very unusual for one to extend a pedigree as far back as 1208, particularly for a relatively unremarkable family.

The authority upon which a "Hugh Fiske" is attached to this profile as Daniel's son is unclear, since no such person is discussed by Pierce.

Research Notes

Because of the very early date of the grant, it is unclear whether "Fisc" in the original text should be taken as a hereditary surname or simply the byname "Fish". Hereditary surnames had come into use by 1208, but they were still less common than simple patronymics and bynames (as can be seen from other individuals in the list). "Fisc" was the conventional spelling of "fish" in Old English,[4] so it is also unclear whether this name should be taken as the English common noun "fish" or the Danish-influenced Northern form "fisk." (Compare in the Rotuli the spelling Marescallus for modern Marshal but also Wisc for modern Wisk; the orthography is ambiguous.) The next known appearance of the name in Laxfield comes nearly 90 years later when the land of Hugh Fisk is mentioned in a 1297 feoffment.[5] It seems hardly credible that this Hugh Fisk is the son of Daniel Fisc, as has often been claimed, but given the evidence of land ownership, some family relationship is plausible.

Sources

  1. Great Britain. Court of Chancery, Great Britain. Record Commission, Rotuli Chartarum in Terri Londinensi Asservati, vol. 1 part 1 (1837): page 177. Internet Archive, Google Books (better scan)
  2. Pierce, Frederick Clifton, Fiske and Fisk family. Being the record of the descendants of Symond Fiske, lord of the manor of Stadhaugh, Suffolk County, England, from the time of Henry IV to date, including all the American members of the family, Self Published, 1896, p. 4 Internet Archive
  3. Harvey, William; Cook, Robert; Raven, J. E.; ,Metcalfe, Walter Charles, The visitations of Suffolk made by Hervey, Clarenceux, 1561, Cooke, Clarenceux, 1577, and Raven, Richmond herald, 1612, with notes and an appendix of additional Suffolk pedigrees, Exeter: William Pollard, 1882, p. 191. Internet Archive
  4. https://oldenglishwordhord.com/2017/07/30/fisc/
  5. Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch HD 1538/288/1, UK National Archives

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Thank you R j Horace for your help.

Unfortunately, you can lead a horse to water, but ....

posted by Tim Perry
Tim, I don't have a direct answer regarding the source you mention - this period is not something I have researched wrt genealogy. I recommend contacting either the England project or members who are specialized in pre-1500 profiles. You can seek out the projects directly or post a query on G2G.
posted by Michael Maranda
Daniel Fiske of Laxfield, Suffolk is mentioned in a document issued by King John confirming a Grant of Land in Digneveston ( Dennington ), Suffolk, by the Duke of Lorraine, Dated 1st May 1208.

Is this not considered a suitable source ?

posted by Tim Perry

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