John Irvine (bef. 1782)

Born before 1782 in Newtownlimavady, County Londonderry, Ireland [uncertain]

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Biography

This profile is part of the Irwin Name Study.

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According to Lucinda Boyd, The Irvines and Their Kin, John Irvine was born in Newtownlimavady, County Londonderry, Ireland. He married Ann Ramsey and relocated with her to County Antrim, where they started their family. About 1812, they moved to the Townland of Carnmoon, Parish of Billy, County Antrim, Ireland.^[1]

A later 1916 biographical sketch of grandson Samuel Irvine states "His paternal grandparents, who were of honored Scotch ancestry, were life-long residents of County Antrim, Ireland, although several of their children came to America to settle."^[2]

Lucinda Boyd lists the following children of John Irvine and Ann Ramsey^[1]:

• Nancy Agnes Irvine
• John Irvine
• Rebecca Irvine
• Joseph Irvine
• David Irvine
• Samuel R. Irvine

A Standard History of Erie County, Ohio does not mention their daughters, and lists the following sons^[2]:

• David
• Samuel R.
• William
• John
• "Another son who after living a few years in New York City returned to Ireland." [This would likely be Joseph.]

William is not mentioned by Lucinda Boyd.

John Irvine is likely the same individual as John Erwin, who appears in the 1824 Tithe Applotment Book for the Townland of Islands (Islands of Carnmoon), County Antrim. This record lists him as a tenant with 11 acres, 2 roods, and 10 perches of land, along with an additional 14 acres, 2 roods, and 0 perches of bog land. Notably, the record also lists a Widow Erwin, Saml Erwin and Robt Erwin as tenants in Islands.^[3] Considering the youth of John and Ann's children, who would have been too young to have entered into any legal transactions, the identity of these additional Erwins raises questions. Furthermore, the tithe applotment for the nearby townland of Carnmore includes a Widow Ramsay. This leads to speculation: Did John leave Newtownlimavady with Ann to join either his or her family? Might family members have followed them? Or, alternatively, could these Erwins and Ramsays be coincidentally unrelated?

The date of John Irvine's death is unknown.

Research Notes

Birth date calculated as twenty-two years before birth of first child, Nancy Agnes Irvine. He could have been born earlier.

The Irvines and Their Kin, pp. 232–233^[1]

CINCINNATI IRVINES (Another family not connected with Agnews).

JOHN IRVINE, born Newton Limivady, County Derry, Ireland, and his wife Ann Ramsey went to Carnmoon, County Antrim, Ireland, about 1812.


1. JOHN IRVINE, oldest son of John and Ann Irvine, was born February 21, 1809, Parish of Billey, County Antrim, Ireland, and died July 3, 1887, Pueblo, Col. U.S.A.

2. NANCY AGNES IRVINE, first daughter of John and Ann Irvine was born, 1804, County Antrim, Ireland, and died January 25, 1868, near Lennoxville, Township of Ascot, Province of Quebec, Canada.
3. REBECCA IRVINE, second daughter of John and Ann Irvine, born _____; died in Ireland, December, 1876.
4. JOSEPH IRVINE, second son of John and Ann Irvine, was born _____; died in Ireland.
5. DAVID IRVINE, third son of John and Ann Irvine, was born October 3, 1812, in Ireland, and died in Litchfield, Mass.

6. ROBERT IRVINE, fourth son of John and Ann Irvine, was born _____; died in Ireland.
7. SAMUEL R. IRVINE, fifth son of John and Ann Irvine, was born September 29, 1822, County Antrim, Ireland, died March 14, 1903, at Toledo, Ohio.


A Standard History of Erie County, Ohio, pp. 551–552.^[2]

SAMUEL IRVINE. For a quarter of a century identified with the business interests of Sandusky, Samuel Irvine, now living retired from active pursuits, is a veteran of the Civil war, and eminently deserving of special mention in a work of this character. A son of John Irvine, he was born, May 28, 1834, in the City of Philadelphia, of Scotch-Irish descent. His paternal grandparents, who were of honored Scotch ancestry, were lifelong residents of County Antrim, Ireland, although several of their children came to America to settle, including the following: David, Samuel R., William, John, and another son, who after living a few years in New York City returned to Ireland. David located in Fitchburg, Massachusetts, where he spent his remaining days. Samuel R. settled first in Philadelphia, from there coming, in 1852, to Ohio, locating in Sandusky, and a few years later moving with his family to Toledo, which was afterwards his home. William lived in Pittsburgh for a time, from there going to Mississippi, where he married, and was subsequently engaged in the culture of cotton until murdered by one of his slaves.

John Irvine came to America directly after his marriage, and after following his trade of carpenter in Philadelphia for a time settled in Pittsburgh. Leaving that city in 1847, he came by stage to Sandusky, Ohio, where, the following spring, he was joined by his family, who proceeded by boat up the Ohio River to Beaver, Pennsylvania, thence via canal and lake to Cleveland and Sandusky. Following his trade of a carpenter and builder, he erected some of the more important buildings of that early day, including a number of fine residences. Going to St. Joseph, Missouri, in 1858, he was engaged in contracting there for a short time, and then moved to Elwood, Kansas. In 1860, joining the tide of emigration surging westward, he crossed the plains with ox teams to Denver, from there going to the divide, where he took up Government land, and embarked in the culture of potatoes, home-grown ones at that time bringing eight cents a pound, and other provisions, all of which had to he transported by teams, were correspondingly high. Two years later he settled in the valley, half way between Denver and Pueblo, In the place later known as Irvine Station. Securing 500 acres of land, he irrigated and improved the place, and there resided until 1886. He then sold a part of his ranch and moved to Pueblo, where his death occurred, July 3, 1887. His wife, whose maiden name was Mary Boyd, was born in County Armagh, Ireland, and died October 6, 1906, in Los Angeles, California, leaving five children, Samuel, John, William, David A., and Milton B.

Having obtained a practical knowledge of the common branches of learning in the public schools of Sandusky, Samuel Irvine served an apprenticeship at the carpenter's trade with his father, and subsequently accompanied the family to St. Joseph, Missouri, later going to Kansas, where he continued at his trade until after the breaking out of the Civil war. On October 12, 1861, inspired by patriotic enthusiasm, Mr. Irvine enlisted in Company I, Seventh Kansas Cavalry, under command of Capt. J. M. Anthony. In 1863, having faithfully performed his duties as a brave soldier in camp and field until the expiration of his term of enlistment, he veteranized, and with his command went to Corinth, Mississippi, where he spent much of his time in guarding the railways of that section of the country.

Honorably discharged from the service as first lieutenant on September 29, 1865, Mr. Irvine followed his trade at Waukon, Kansas, until 1868. Coming back then to Sandusky, where he had spent the days of his boyhood and youth, he entered the employ of the Sandusky Wheel Company, with which he was actively connected for twenty-two years, during the last eight years of the time being superintendent of the business. Since severing his connection with that company, he has lived retired from business activities and cares.

Mr. Irvine married, July 1, 1866, Daphne R. Foster, who was born in Erie County, Ohio, a daughter of William Howell Foster. Born November 21, 1810, in St. Albans, Vermont, Mr. Foster there acquired a good education in his youth, and while a young man started westward in search of fame and fortune. Coming to Erie County, Ohio, he taught school for a while at Seven Mile House, and then, having met with most encouraging success in his labors, he returned to the Green Mountain State, where he married, and with his bride came back to Ohio, coming by the Erie Canal to Buffalo, thence by Lake Erie to Cleveland, and from there to the interior with ox team. Locating near Castalia, he bought land, but soon sold that property, and purchased another farm in the same township. He was subsequently there successfully engaged in tilling the soil until his death, February 26, 1874. Mr. Foster married Caroline Charlotte Brush, who was born at St. Albans, Vermont, September 22, 1810, and died in Erie County, Ohio, March 17, 1901. She reared three children, as follows: Helen Charlotte, Daphne Rhoda, and Romeo William.

Mr. and Mrs. Irvine became the parents of four children, and the two living are John W. and Justin S. John W. Irvine, a resident of Cincinnati, married Rose Kirkpatrick, and they have three children, Daphne, Carrie Luella, and Helen Lucille. Justin S. Irvine, who lives in Cleveland, married Carrie Dunlap. Carrie, born November 14, 1866, died January 10, 1894, and Helen L., born October 16, 1868, died May 7, 1887. Mr. Irvine is a member of McMeens Post No. 19, Grand Army of the Republic, and Mrs. Irvine belongs to the Woman's Relief Corps.

Tithe Applotment for the parish of Billy, County Antrim^[3]

p. 1: "Estimate or Valuation of all the Lands in the Parish of Billy and an Applotment of the Composition for the tithes of said Parish under an Agreement commencing 1st November 1824 for 21 Years"

p. 16: Tenants in Townland of Carnmoon

• John Moore
• Patrick Moore
• Charles McFerson
• William Graham
• John Graham
• Thomas Moss
• Andrew Getty
• Widow Ramsay

p. 18: Tenants in Townland of Islands [Islands of Carnmoon]

• John Harmill
• Widow Erwin
• David McKinney
• Widow Anderson
• Saml Erwin
• John Erwin
• Robt Erwin
• John McKeage
• Widow McKeage

Questions:

1. Who is Widow Ramsey in the Townland of Carnmoon? Could she be Ann (Ramsey) Irwin's mother or another relative? Did John and Anne relocate from Newtownlimavady to reside closer to Ann's family?
2. John Erwin is likely the John Irvine of this profile. Who is Widow Erwin? What is the relationship of Samuel and Robert Erwin to her or John? John and Ann have a son Samuel, but he was still an infant. Is Widow Erwin the mother of John? of Samuel and Robert? a sister-in-law?
3. John McKeage is likely the (future?) husband of John and Anne's daughter, Rebecca. Is Widow McKeage his mother?

• Andrew Getty is likely the future father-in-law of John and Ann's daughter, Margaret McKaig.

DNA

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Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1 1.2} Lucinda Boyd, comp., The Irvines and Their Kin; Revised by the Author in Scotland, Ireland and England; A History of the Irvine Family and Their Descendants. Also Short Sketches of Their Kindred, the Carlisles, McDowells, Johnstons, Maxwells, Gaults, McElroys, etc. From A.D. 373 Down to the Present Time, revised edition (Chicago, IL: R.R. Donnelley & Sons Company, 1908), pp. 232–243, ; Google Books (https://books.google.com/: accessed 4 May 2023).
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2} Hewson Lindsley Peeke, A Standard History of Erie County, Ohio: An Authentic Narrative of the Past, with Particular Attention to the Modern Era in the Commercial, Industrial, Civic, and Social Development. A Chronicle of the People, with Family Lineage and Memoirs, vol. 2, pp. 551–552 (United States: Lewis Publishing Company), 1916; Google Books (https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Standard_History_of_Erie_County_Ohio/Q9UyAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=samuel+irvine.+for+a+quarter+of+a+century+identified+with+the+business+interests+of+sandusky,+samuel+irvine,+now+living+retired&pg=PA551: accessed 12 Nov 2023).
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1} Ireland, Land Commission, Tithe Applotment Records for Parishes in Northern Ireland, 1823–1837, "Tithe applotment for the parish of Billy;" Public Record Office for Northern Ireland (https://apps.proni.gov.uk/eCatNI_IE/SearchPage.aspx: accessed 14 January 2023); FIN/5/A/56A, p. 1, 16, 18.

• Griffith's Valuation