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Joseph (Normacott) Vernon (bef. 1821)

Joseph Vernon [uncertain] formerly Normacott aka Normecut [uncertain]
Born before in Bilston, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdommap
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Husband of — married 26 May 1845 in West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdommap
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Biography

Joseph Normecut (i) was baptised 13 March 1821 at St Leonards Bilston son of Thomas Normecut and Catherine Rowland [1]

The 1841 census [2] record shows Joseph (ii), aged 17, staying, in Bilston, at the residence of his future wife Sarah Eades, aged 19. Thomas Normecut, Joseph's father passes away early in 1843 and is buried at Christ Church West Bromwich [3] ; his death was registered in the same month [4] .

Joseph marries Sarah Eades on 26 May 1845 at All Saints Church West Bromwich [5] witnessed by William Eades and Hannah Eades (iii). Their first child, Emma, is born 25 September 1846 [6] and baptised in the November at Christ Church] West Bromwich [7]. The 1851 census shows all three Joseph, Sarah and Emma living In Grout Village (iv), West Bromwich [8]. Records show Sarah gives birth to a second daughter, Susannah, in April 1852 [9] [10] [11]

The couples first son, Thomas, is born 16 September 1854 [12] [13] , followed by James born 13 December 1855 [14] [15] Records suggest that eldest son Thomas passed away, aged 2, late in the year 1856 [16] and a third son, Amos, was born 20 June 1857 [17] [18]

Up to this time, records of the period appear to reflect an accurate picture of events, Joseph, Sarah and family living in and around West Bromwich less than 5 miles to the north west of Birmingham. However, at this point there is a marked change, records become disjointed painting a hazy picture which is difficult to confidently interpret,

Records suggest that in 1861, for reasons that are not clear (vi), the family are living under the surname Vernon, that is, for example, Joseph Normecut has assumed the name Joseph Vernon (i). Over the same period the family have moved from West Bromwich to the centre of Birmingham, the census shows them resident in Stoke Street (iv) in the St Thomas district, [19].

Eldest daughter Emma, marries in 1868 using Normocot as her maiden name [20] and takes up residence in the St Thomas district, where she and her husband William live at the time of the 1871 census [21] . Joseph Normecut alias Vernon with wife Jane (viii), daughter Susannah plus brothers, James, and Enoch (Amos) continue living in Stoke Street [22], that is until Susannah marries Thomas Hill in 1874 [23], James marries Dora Harriet Kirby in 1876, [24] and finally in 1878 Amos (Enoch) marries Elizabeth Peers [25].

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Notes

(i) Multiple variants of name Normecut, Normancut, Nomacott, Normicot, Normant, Narmecutt, Norment, Normycott .

(ii) Typographical error on census reads Normant instead of Normecut

(iii) Most Likely Sarah's brother William and his wife Hannah.

(iv) Unable to identify the location of Grout Village although 2021street maps show a Grout Street in the Greets Green area of West Bromwich.

(v) Typographical error on baptism record reads Narmecutt instead of Normecut

(vi) The key known facts are: -

  • Verified birth records show, as previously detailed, Joseph and Sarah to have had five children: Emma born 1851 who marries William Downes in 1868, Thomas 1854 the eldest son who dies age 2, Susannah born 1852 marries Thomas Hill in 1874, James born 1855 marries Dora Harriet Kirby in 1876 and finally Amos (AKA Enoch) born 1858 who marries Mary Elizabeth Peers in 1878 ,
  • No direct trace of Joseph and Sarah Normecut (or derivative) or of their children can be found after the birth of Amos in 1857. That is no direct trace of any of the family using the surname Normecut or a derivative.

All indications are of a link between Joseph/Sarah Normecourt and Joseph/Sarah Vernon, but the details, the exact nature of the link remains unknown. Alternative scenarios are possible, Joseph Normecut and his wife may have simply changed their surname to Vernon (vii). Alternatively (a previously unknown) Joseph and Sarah Vernon may have adopted (officially or otherwise) the three children perhaps because they were distant relatives. Searches have failed to find anything to promote such options,

So far as the three children are concerned, Vernon is adopted as the family name and Normecut taken as a given (middle) name. Records show all three siblings give their middle name as Normecourt (or derivative) on their individual marriage records.

For the earliest documented example of this change refer to the marriage of daughter Susannah especially her marriage certificate detail [23] similarly the 1876 marriage registration details for son James to Dora Harriet Kirby. [24] Finally, examination of the 1878 marriage certificate for Amos (Enoch) shows it bears a hand written statement, dated 24 May 1880, signed by the registrar testifying the grooms surname and that of his father Joseph, to be Normancut and not Vernon has had been originally declared [25]

Without more evidence it is impossible to determine the truth, definitive evidence or alterative suggestions are welcome meanwhile, for practical purposes Joseph Normecut will be assumed to have adopted the name Joseph Normancut Vernon. No matter what scenario, most likely the pedigree of the three children remains as presented.

(vii) Vernon is the married name of Joseph's sister Susannah, husband George Vernon.

(vii) Another uncertainty, the 1871 census shows no reference to Sarah Joseph's first wife, possibly her middle name was Jane but this is not declared elsewhere. No record of a marriage between a Joseph Vernon and Jane. no reference after 1871 to either Jane or Sarah. A 1862 death registered in Kings Norton for a Sarah Vernon could be relevant but not proven https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?cite=orF8bspqfYJCcr%2B9mp3Cvg&scan=1.

Sources

  1. ↑ 1821 March 13, baptism Joseph Normacott sic (i), father Thomas Normacott (sic) (i) mother Catherine Rowland, St Leonards Bilston Staffordshire.
  2. ↑ 1841 June 6 census, Sarah living with her mother and siblings John aged 17, Maria (15) also staying Joseph Normant (ii) aged 20, most likely Sarah's future husband Joseph Normecut (ii) also a Joseph Hassell (aged 20) not known, Dunkirk Road and Place West Bromwich Staffordshire
    • "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQT9-G9R : 23 May 2019), Sarah Edes in household of Sarah Edes, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
  3. ↑ 1843 March 28, burial Thomas Normecut aged 43, Christ Church West Bromwich, Staffordshire.
  4. ↑ 1843 March quarter, Thomas Normecut burial registration, West Bromwich.
    • Free UK Genealogy, “FreeBDM”, https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ , citing Deaths, Thomas Normecut 1843, vol.18 p.426, last viewed 17 December 2020
  5. ↑ 1845 May 26, marriage Joseph Normacut (sic) (i) an Engineer aged 24, father Thomas Normacut (sic) (i) an office clerk, and Sarah Eades aged 23, father John Eades a blacksmith, witnesses William Eades and Hannah Eades (iii), All Saints Church West Bromwich.
  6. ↑ 1846 September 25, birth of Emma Normecut
    • "England, Staffordshire, Church Records, 1538-1944," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL3R-KD7X : 8 July 2020), Joseph Norment in entry for Emma Norment, 8 Nov 1846; citing Baptism, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom, Staffordshire & Stoke on Trent Archive Service, Stafford; FHL microfilm 7,567,149.
    • also refer baptism below.
  7. ↑ 1846 November 8, baptism Emma Normecut, resident Greets Green, father Joseph Normecut an engineer, mother Sarah Eades, Christ Church West Bromwich Staffordshire,
  8. ↑ 1851 March 30 census, Joseph Normecut living with wife Sarah and daughter Emma, Grout Village West Bromwich Staffordshire
    • "England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGG8-DRJ : 9 November 2017), Joseph Normecut, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England; citing West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England, p. 4, from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
  9. ↑ 1852 April 6, birth Susannah Normancut]] (sic) (i) Grout Street (v) West Bromwich.
    • Details taken from birth certificate/registration below
  10. ↑ 1852 May 14, birth registration Susannah, father Joseph Normancut (sic) (i) an Engineer, mother Sarah formerly Eades, resident Grout Street (iv) West Bromwich
    • Copy of original certificate/registration viewed and verified.
  11. ↑ 1852 June 2, baptism of Susannah Narmecutt (sic) (v), resident Greets Green, father Joseph Normecut (sic) (v) an engineer, mother Sarah Eades, Greets Green Primitive Methodist, West Bromwich Staffordshire,
  12. ↑ 1854 September 16, birth Thomas Normancut (sic) (i) Grout Street (iv) West Bromwich,
    • Details taken from birth certificate/registration below
  13. ↑ 1854 October 24, birth registration Thomas, father Joseph Normancut (sic) (i) an Engineer, mother Sarah formerly Eades, resident Grout Street (iv) West Bromwich
    • Copy of original certificate/registration viewed and verified.
    • "England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XST-QTL : 1 October 2014), Thomas Normancut, 1854; from "England & Wales Births, 1837-2006," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Birth Registration, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England, citing General Register Office, Southport, England.
  14. ↑ 1855 December 13, birth James Normancut (sic) (i) Grout Street (iv) West Bromwich,
    • Details taken from birth certificate/registration below
  15. ↑ 1855 December 26, birth registration James, father Joseph Normancut (sic) (i) an Engineer at Iron Works, mother Sarah formerly Eades, resident Grout Street (iv) West Bromwich
    • Copy of original certificate/registration viewed and verified.
    • "England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:26G5-KPG : 1 October 2014), James Normancut, 1855; from "England & Wales Births, 1837-2006," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Birth Registration, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England, citing General Register Office, Southport, England.
  16. ↑ 1856 December 07, burial Thomas Normycott (sic) (i) aged 2 resident Greets Green, most probably the son of Joseph Normecut and Sarah Eades, Christ Church West Bromwich.
  17. ↑ 1857 June 20, birth Amos Normancut (sic) (i) Grout Street (iv) West Bromwich,
    • Details taken from birth certificate/registration below
  18. ↑ 1857 June 23, birth registration Amos, father Joseph Normancut (sic) (i) a Puddler of Iron, mother Sarah formerly Eades, resident Grout Street (iv) West Bromwich
    • Copy of original certificate/registration viewed and verified.
    • "England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2NHV-DNR : 1 October 2014), Amos Normancut, 1857; from "England & Wales Births, 1837-2006," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Birth Registration, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England, citing General Register Office, Southport, England.
  19. ↑ 1861 April 7 census, Joseph Normecut alias Vernon aged 36, occupation 'Wood Turner', his wife Sarah and children Emma (14), Susannah (9), James (4) and Enoch (amos) (3), Court 10,, Stoke Street Birmingham.
    • Most probable, copy of original census record, not viewed as at July 2021
    • "General Register Office: 1861 Census Returns database, FreeCEN (https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5905e5bde9379091b19d9e77 : viewed 6 Jul 2021), Susanh VERNON in household of Joseph VERNON, 6, Stoke Street Court 10, Warwickshire, England; from 1861 "England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images; citing The National Archives RG 9/2139, Folio 93, Page 40, Schedule 182, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
    • Typographical error surname shown as Johnston rather than Vernon: "England and Wales Census, 1861," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7JG-NCW : 3 March 2021), Sarah Johnston in household of Joseph Johnston, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England, United Kingdom; from "1861 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO RG 9, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
    • Johnston family living at Court 10 Stoke Street. "General Register Office: 1861 Census Returns database, FreeCEN (https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5905e5bde9379091b19d9e66 : viewed 6 Jul 2021), Henry JOHNSTON, 5, Stoke Street Court 10, Warwickshire, England; from 1861 "England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images; citing The National Archives RG 9/2139, Folio 93, Page 40, Schedule 181, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
  20. ↑ 1868 October 18, marriage William Vincent Downes and Emma Normocot (sic), grooms father Francis Downes, brides father Joseph Normocut (sic)
    • most likely, original certificate not viewed, July 2021.
    • "England, Warwickshire, Parish Registers, 1535-1963," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGDG-CRTD : 26 February 2019), Joseph Normocot in entry for William Vincent Downes and Emma Normocot, 18 Oct 1868; Marriage; citing Warwickshire, England, United Kingdom, p. , Warwick County Record Office, England; FHL microfilm 814,244.
    • "England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DK5-4X3 : 13 December 2014), Emma Normocot, 1868; from "England & Wales Marriages, 1837-2005," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing 1868, quarter 4, vol. 6D, p. 188, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England, General Register Office, Southport, England.
  21. ↑ 1871 April 2 census, Emma Downes and husband William Vincent Downes resident, St Thomas district Birmingham.
  22. ↑ '1871 April 2 census, Joseph Vernon occupation 'Turner' aged 18, living with his wife Jane and children Susannah (18) James (aged 14) and Enoch (Amos) aged 13, St Thomas, Birmingham. "England and Wales Census, 1871", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5YC-HTH : 28 September 2019), Susannah Vernon in entry for Joseph Vernon, 1871.
  23. ↑ 23.0 23.1 1874 April 13, marriage Susannah Normecut Vernon (aged 22, resident Stoke Street, father Joseph Normecut Vernon, engine fitter), to Thomas Hill, iron plate worker (aged 25, resident Edwards Street, father Thomas Hill, iron plater worker) witness Laura Sabell and Samuel Hodges, Birmingham Register Office.
    • copy of original certificate dated 13 April 1974 viewed and verified, bride age 22, bride's name reads Susannah Normocut Vernon (sic) similarly brides father Joseph Normocut Vernon
    • "England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DG2-6YZ : 13 December 2014), Thomas Hill, 1874; from "England & Wales Marriages, 1837-2005," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing 1874, quarter 2, vol. 6D, p. 277, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England, General Register Office, Southport, England.
  24. ↑ 24.0 24.1 1876 last quarter. marriage registration James Normecourt Vernon to Dora Harriet Kirby, Birmingham
    • "England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DPF-Q6D : 13 December 2014), James Normecourt Vernon, 1876; from "England & Wales Marriages, 1837-2005," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing 1876, quarter 4, vol. 6D, p. 389, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England, General Register Office, Southport, England.
  25. ↑ 25.0 25.1 1878 Second quarter, marriage registration Enoch Vernon (AKA Enoch Normancut or Amos Normancut) to Mary Elizabeth Peers, Birmingham.
    • "England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D5P-RX4 : 22 May 2014), Mary Elizabeth Peers, 1878; from "England & Wales Marriages, 1837-2005," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing 1878, quarter 2, vol. 6D, p. 282, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England, General Register Office, Southport, England.
    • original certificate viewed and verified, amendment 24 May 1880 shows grooms surname and his father should have read Normancut and not Vernon .




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