Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann (1711 - 1796)

Born 17 Jul 1711 in Holzminden, Holzminden, Niedersachsen, Germany

Ancestors

Husband of Sabina Margaretha Kleine — married 29 Sep 1733 in Holzminden, Holzminden, Niedersachsen, Germany

Husband of Justine Giesecke — married about 1751 in Holzminden, Niedersachsen, Germany

Husband of Sophia Dorothea Küster — married 11 Mar 1764 in Holzminden, Niedersachsen, Germany

Descendants

Died 2 Mar 1796 at age 84 in Holzminden, Holzminden, Niedersachsen, Germany

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Biography

The information below is sourced from the online Family Book for Holzminden, Hesse-Kassel, Germany, which in turn references Holzminden Church Book records (KB HOL) and other records for specific dates; accessed Sept 10, 2021 by David Tiemann [WIkiTree member Tiemann-170] https://www.online-ofb.de/famreport.php?ofb=holzminden&ID=I3695&nachname=Tiemann&lang=dk

Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann was born 17 July 1711 ^[1] in Holzminden, Hess-Kassel Germany, and died 2 March 1796 in Holzminden ^[2] ; He is listed in the online Holzminden Family Book as the son of Heinrich Jacob Tiemann (1683-1749) and Ilsa Catherina Fisher (1681-1737) both born and died in Holzminden. The father in his baptismal record is apparently recorded as "Friederich," which the book author(s) consider a likely error, as confirmed in the Research Note below.

Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann (1711-1796) had four wives, and had children with three of them, also noted further below:

He married (1st) Sabina Margaretha Kleine, born 18 Sept 1714 at Holzminden, and died 15 March 1750 at Holzminden, daughter of Bernhard Christoff Kleine (1680-1751) and Maria Elisabeth Kleine (d. 1756). ^[3]

married (2nd) 22 April 1751 at Holzminden, Justine Giesecke, born 1724, died 19 Jan 1755 in Holzminden, parents not identified. ^[4]

married (3rd) 22 May 1755 at Holzminden, Ilsa Maria Hellman, born 03 June 1708 in Holzminden, died 5 Nov 1763 in Holzminden, daughter of Barthold Jürgen Hellman (abt 1676-1723) died Holzminden, and Anna Elisabeth Lüttmann, (abt 1675-1755) died at Holzminden. ^[5] No Children.

married (4th ) 11 March 1764 at Holzminden, Sophia Dorothea Küster, born 1721, died January 9th, 1784 at Holzminden, parents not identified. ^[6]

Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann was listed as a nail smith in 1749, "master" in 1765 ^[7] a cellar landlord, and in 1779 a small blacksmith. He took on Johann Friedrich Heupke as an apprentice in Dec 1748. In 1753 he was listed as a member of the nail blacksmith's guild.

Other members of the Tiemann family evolved from blacksmithing to cutlery in Holzminden and Oldensheim Germany, and eventually to surgical instruments in New York City in the George Tiemann (1793-1868) Surgical Instrument Company, which exists to this day. George Tiemann (1793-1868) was the son of Georg Conrad Heinrich Tiemann (1739- ), who was also an uncle of Anthony Tiemann (1778-1862), who emigrated to New York City and operated a store, and then started a paint company there.

Children of Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann and Sabina Margaretha (Kleine) Tiemann:

• Maria Margaretha Tiemann, b. July 25, 1734 in Holzminden, Germany.
• Maria Henrietta Tiemann, b. October 6, 1736 in Holzminden.
• Johann Conrad Tiemann, b. May 27, 1739 in Holzminden, died February 6, 1754 in Holzminden.
• Johann Daniel Tiemann, b. June 17, 1741 in Holzminden, died 30 October 1796 at Karlshafen, Germany.
• Johann Julius Wilhelm Tiemann, b. October 3rd, 1743 in Holzminden.
• Catharina Elisabeth Tiemann, b. 5 April 1746 in Holzminden.
• Johann Anton Tiemann, b. 6 May 1748 in Holzminden, died June 3rd, 1830 in Holzminden.

Children of Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann and Justine (Giesecke) Tiemann:

• Regina Lucie Tiemann, b. 15 Dec 1751 at Holzminden.
• Christiana Sophia Tiemann, b. 15 Jan 1755 Holzminden, died 23 Jan 1755 at Holzminden.

Children of Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann and Sophia Dorothea Küster:

• Georg Conrad Heinrich Tiemann, b. 19 Feb 1765 in Holzminden. He emigrated to New York City, in New York Colony and was known as "Conrad" ^[8]
• Johanna Louisa Rebecca Tiemann, b. 24 Jan 1767 in Holzminden.

Research Note

The online Holzminden Family Book (Ortsfamilienbuch Holzminden Familieoversigt), web page has a note that says "Name of the father in the baptismal entry [for Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann]: "Friederich," Baptismal records are usually correct, and they can have errors, so this entry requires explanation.

To begin, there are two "Friedrich" Tiemanns listed in the online Holzminden Family Book, but they were born in 1778 and 1821, and are thus much younger than Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann. Next, there are five "Johann Friederich" Tiemann's listed in the Holzminden records, and in Germany in that era the middle name was often the name actually used by German men with the pre-fix first name of "Johann." Of these "Johann Friederich" Tiemanns, three are younger than Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann. Another, born 6 Dec 1695, moved to in Merxhausen, Germany, which is immediately east of Holzminden, and he had children there between 1723 and 1741, with the last child - son Christian Friedrich Tiemann - born May 28, 1741 at Merxhausen; so this "Johann Friederich" Tiemann clearly was not the father of the Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann born 17 July 1711 in Holzminden. The last "Johann Friederich" Tiemann of Holzminden was born there 30 Sept 1699 and had one wife, but they had no recorded children. His father was Johann Borchard Tiemann (1665-1753), who was the Mayor of Holzminden between 1733 and 1753, is listed as a Godparent at 46 baptisms (including five other Tiemanns) between 1680 and March 10 1741. Mayor Johann Borchard Tiemann was christened and his funeral was held at the Luthergemeinde (Luther Church) of Holzminden. His wife Margretha Elisabeth Krekeler (1673-1717) also was born and died at Holzminden, and herself was a Godmother seven times between 1694 and 1716. Seven of Johann Borchard and Margaretha Elizabeth Tiemann's 12 children died young and did not marry, While four of their five surviving children have records of baptized children. The last, son Johann Friederich Tiemann, does not have recorded children, but this family was likely to, and did, baptize any children they had, and it is therefore likely Johann Friederich Tiemann would have baptized any children. Mayor Johann Borchard Tiemann was actually the brother of the grandfather of Heinrich Tiemann in this profile - it was still a rather small town.

The case for Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann as the father of Johann Daniel Tiemann (1741-1796) is in the names of the children of Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann and his first wife, Sabina Margaretha Kleine (1714-1750) . They named three sons Johann Daniel, Johann Anton, and Johann Julius Wilhelm after her father.

The son Johann Daniel named his first son Johann Heinrich, presumably after his father Heinrich, and two sons Johann Julius Wilhelm Tiemann and Johann Anton Tiemann (Anthony Tiemann of New York). A fourth son Johann Conrad died at age 15 in Holzminden.

Anthony Tiemann of New York in turn named his first son Daniel (1805-1899), after his father (with the pre-fix "Johann" dropped per more modern/English naming conventions and he named his third son Julius William Tiemann (1817-1903). Asa noted above, Heinrich Wilhelm Tiemann's son with his fourth wife Sophia Dorothea Küster was named Georg Conrad Heinrich Tiemann, who emigrated to New York City in America. The step-brother of Anthony Tiemann's father Johann Daniel Tiemann, he worked with Anthony operating a store on Nassau Street in New York, where he was known as "Conrad."

In a New York Times Sunday Illustrated Magazine article in1897, ex- New York Mayor Daniel Tiemann reminisced that in1820 his father and uncle (Conrad) purchased 84 front feet on Broadway, with 136 feet on nineteenth street, and 110 feet close by for $200, and that twenty years later sold it for $27,000, and that in the late 1800s it sold for $480,000! ^[9] Apparently, Conrad Tiemann returned to Germany, because Daniel Tiemann took his place as a partner at the A. Tiemann &Company in 1827. ^[10] Before he left, Conrad gave his brass letter wax seal stamp to Anthony, inscribed "C T" with a crown in the middle of his initials, which has been passed down and is still owned by a descendant of Anthony.

Sources

1. ↑ KB HOL baptisms 1711 p. 351
2. ↑ KB HOL Funerals 1796, p. 663, 12
3. ↑ KB HOL weddings 1712-1750, p. 31.
4. ↑ KB HOL marriages, 1751-1788, p. 1.
5. ↑ KB HOL marriages, 1751-1788, p. 16, no. 6.
6. ↑ KB HOL weddings, 1751-1788.
7. ↑ Brunswick advertisements 1749, 3rd item, column 50
8. ↑ Grousset, Agnes M., Horns A’Plenty: Newells, Tiemanns, Wyeths, (Baltimore: Gateway Press Inc., 1980), pp. 87-88. Note: Some of the biographical information was excepted by Groussett from the typewritten "A Genealogy of the Wyeth - Newell - Tiemann Family, (1893)" compiled by Abby Antoinette Tiemann Tackaberry (1848-1936), commissioned by her uncle Julius W. Tiemann (1817-1903), for the Daughters of the American Revolution, New York Organization. A copy of the Tackaberry Genealogy is held in the Special Collections section, Genealogical Division, of the New York Public Library, Main Branch 5th Avenue/42nd Street.
9. ↑ "Small and Great New York," The New York Times Illustrated Magazine October 7, 1897, p. 10
10. ↑ Hall, Henry, America's Successful Men of Affairs, An Encyclopedia of Contemporaneous Biography, (New York: The New York Tribune, 1895), Vol. 1, pp. 655-656.

• Above sources all referenced in Ortsfamilienbuch Holzminden

Familieoversigt: https://www.online-ofb.de/famreport.php?ofb=holzminden&ID=I9121&nachname=Tiemann&lang=dk