See Also:? What does it mean to you?

Question

The subject of See Also in the sources section came up in the following question earlier today; http://www.wikitree.com/g2g/131136/update-change-page-on-gedcom-created-biographies  and someone asked me about it a couple of weeks ago.

New Gedcom imports have the following

== Sources ==
<references />
See also:

I would like to hear how people interpret "See also:" .

My thoughts: Under == Sources == there are

1. footnotes represented by our <references /> section.

2. Sources that represent the major body of the text. If for instance I've only used one source to create the entire bio, say Anderson's Great Migration Begins. I would list it just under references as

*Anderson, Charles. "Great Migration Begins etc."

3.See also: is for sources not actually used in the biography, but that might have pertinent or interesting information.

See also:
"John Smith's Descendants"
"History of Somewhere, Massachusetts"

Comments

If you will kindly ignore the CSS formatted blockquotes (they are there as exemplars of an ongoing suggestion/discussion), I would offer up http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Fawcett-236 as an example of how I use See Also:

I think it is pretty much what Dale has described in his answer.

*Ooops

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Rob

The Da;e in your reference is male, but that is ok I have been called worse.

Answer 1

See also is for any sources that are not linked to any facts by a footnote.  If you do the narrative with sources as footnotes then any sources not connected as a footnote will show up after the See also line if you enter them the way it is expected in the example with the bullett point following that line.

Comments

I tend to use the "See also:" section as Dale does; also, when I use a collection of records from someplace like FamilySearch, and I make a link directly to a fact in the Biography area, I will make an entry for the <references /> section, and then I will add a citation with a link for the whole collection in the "See also:" section.

It takes a couple of extra copy & pastes, but I've found it useful when I go back to work on a profile and want to track down people who may have lived in the same area.

Answer 2

I think if you have downloaded a census image you could put that under 'see also'

e.g. see also image 4

I haven't actually done this as I have just typed it in under sources but I think, especially if you have a transcript in the sources as well as an image, the image might be more appropriately listed under see also.

It only came to me as I read the question, what do others think?

Comments

Be very careful with census images. Familysearch.org claims copyright to the images on their site and others may also claim copyright.  The names and dates can not be copyright protected but the images can.

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Thank yor for the comment about copyright of census records, most of mine came via a cousin in Australia, though they are all U.K. Census.  I've never got images from Family Search.  A long time ago I got some from the National Archives, they seemed happy enough to give me copies for a very small fee, but it is going back at least 20 years so maybe there are new rules?

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I do know that a lot of records, even original documents, can fall under the copyright laws in the USA and because of that coupled with my poor knowledge of the copyright laws I tend to err on the side of caution.  Also if a record is published then the copyright clock can be reset as an example the 1940 USA census was released a couple of years ago but the images are now on Family search and now fall under their copyright.  Any one can view them there and you can even download images for your own personal use but without permission it is illegal to put them on a site like WikiTree.

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It may be less copyright than user agreement licenses. If Christine got a copy from the national archives and she scanned it and uploaded it, there's no issue. She got the copy directly from a government source therefore it's public domain and no licensing.

If if she downloaded a copy of the census IMAGE from Ancestry.com through her paid subscription and then uploaded that image to wikitree, then she might be violating the terms of her subscription. If wikitree knows she's done this, the company could be at risk for lawsuit as well.

check the user agreements of all sites you use to understand what you can and cannot do with content found there.

And understand that there's a distinction between the content found on the image and the image itself.

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That is all I said, "Be careful".  But I have an official copy of a death record that has a notice about not posting it on line from a state agency.

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I think that is the best advice to check user agreements on sites re. copyright, but from what I've been reading my feeling is that US Census carry more copyright restrictions than UK ones.

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The Internet Archive has a public domain copy of the US Census collection:

https://archive.org/details/us_census

There is no index, but if you look it up somewhere else you can use the images from this source.  You can also direct link to a individual image within the source on their site like this: 

https://archive.org/stream/populationsc17900011unit#page/n247/mode/2up

 

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I decided to check the UK National Archives site and this is the official line.

The reproduction of images of documents from The National Archives on an open non-commercial website in perpetuity costs a one-off fee of £40.00 + £8.00 VAT.  This payment covers the upload of between one and twenty TNA document images.The images must be protected from download at high resolution. You can do this by watermarking, or by keeping the resolution to a level whereby the documents are legible for information and research, but are not of sufficient quality for commercial publication.

 Obviously the rule wasn't in force when I got my original images as it was pre internet.  So thank you for drawing my attention to this, I am going to have to do some editing, changing images into transcrpts!

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"Copyright protection is not available for any work of the United States Government (Title 17 U.S.C., Section 105). Thus you are free to reproduce census materials as you see fit. We would ask, however, that you cite the Census Bureau as the source." See https://ask.census.gov/faq.php?id=5000&faqId=431

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyfraud

But if you're the nervous type, use https://archive.org/details/us_census.