Looking for citations of Henry Green Jr. as "running fox".

Question

I saw reference to name and can not relocate it. May apply to son Henry of Henry Filmer Green.

Answer 1

 

Don Greene - 2014 - ?History

known brother of Susan-Running Water Green/1740, a lean, dark-skinned, ... to Henry Green Jr, husband 1721 Dinwiddie VA of Abigail Griffin/1706 VA-after 1748 VA, ... daughter of John Running Fox Green/1685 New River NC-1745 Johnson.

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Samuel and Susannah Taylor Parks are my 2nd great-grandparents.  They have nothing to do with anyone named “Running Fox” or Henry Greene.  Susannah’s grandfather was a British soldier named Charles Taylor who claimed to be an illegitimate son of the prominent Fox family in England.

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Yes, my second great-grandparents, look at the tree here on Wikitree.  My grandfather, James Allen Thompson Parks was born in 1867, my great-grandfather Thomas Jefferson Parks born in 1821.

John McIntosh was the second husband of Jennie Walker Taylor, step-father of Susannah Taylor Parks.  If you need any information on my family I’m happy to share.

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My Cherokee ancestry is fully documented here on Wikitree and with the Cherokee Nation.  I am a Cherokee citizen.

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Yes, Samuel was born in 1789, his son, my great-grandfather was born in 1821, drove a wagon over the Trail of Tears but returned home, stayed until his father died in 1841, and then emigrated to I.T. Married in 1848. My grandfather was born in 1867 (second youngest of 11), didn’t marry until 1914.  My father was born in 1915.

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John McIntosh was step-father to Susannah Taylor Parks, so father-in-law to Samuel.  James McDaniel was another son-in-law, the husband of Susannah’s half-sister Nellie McIntosh.  I am not aware of any Franklins connected to my Parks family.  There were no Cherokee Franklins in Tennessee in 1835.  Samuel was white, and one of several children, so it’s possible they were white relatives of his but I’ve never come across them if so.  Another possibility is that they knew each other from their war service since both were with the Tennessee Volunteers.  Or there was no connection other than a land transaction.

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John Hildebrand was white, he had a white family and then a Cherokee family.  All of his white children married Cherokees so all of his descendants were Cherokee. Two of his white sons married a half-sister and a cousin of Jennie Walker Taylor McIntosh.  Those are the only ones connected to my direct family.

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I see! My Esom didn't serve in Tennesee. But he did travel from Eastern Cherokee territory by horse and landed on your families land records. So I will look into it further.

My family lived in Old Ninety Six District, Rocky Creek, Generosity Creek, Horsepen Branch, Cherokee Ponds, Hopewell SC well into Cherokee and Chickasaw lands. The ancient boundry line and the Great Warpath. I also find a connection with the Raper and McDaniel families in NC.

••• your Orator William Gardenhire, a citizen of McMinn County, Tennessee •••• that on 2 Sept. 1820 a certain John McIntosh, a native, and who is now a resident of the Cherokee Nation of Indians, made •••• $2500 •••• a deed for a parcel of land in McMinn County on the east fork of Mouse Creek including the plantation whereon McIntosh then lived ••• 640 acres ••• a reservation in fee simple granted to said Mctntosh by the treaty between the United States and the Cherokee Nation of Indians concluded at Washington City on the 27 Feb. 1819 (con:monly called Calhoun's treaty). Before the purchase of said land McIntosh had purchased from your Orator a negro man for $850 •••• $464. of which was still owing •••• credited on the land ••• paid the balance to McIntosh ••• some time after the sale a certain James McDaniel now also a resident of the Cherokee Nation and a certain Samuel Parks a citizen of Monroe County ••• Tennessee ••• (and who are both sons-in-law of other near relations of said McIntosh) procured John McIntosh to make them fraudently a deed for said 640 acres ••• Some short time after the sale your Orator commenced suit against Esom Franklin (who was then in possession of a part of the land) in circuit Court of McMinn County •••• McDaniel and Parks caused themselves to be made defendents in place of Franklin ••• obtained a change of venue to Anderson County • ••• 26 April 1824 McDaniel and Parks with John McIntosh conveyed the 640 acres jointly to James C. Mitchell resident of McMinn County and to a certain Thomas Kelly a resident of Rhea County ••• Tennessee •••• James c. Mitchell is a lawyer of considerable eminence. Mitchell and Kelly sold part of the land to a certain. Samuel Claig a resident of McMinn County and one part to a certain John Matlock also of McMinn ••• Matlock sold his part to a certain Nathaniel Smith of McMinn •••• prays all these parties by made to answer •••

Thank you sooo much for your help. You are awesome. God Bless. Troy

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Can I email you personally? I have a funny story to tell you about my mom. She’s Bavarian and obsessed with the native American culture. She’s 80 years old and a very sweet lady!

 Anyhow my email is tdshoechtl@icloud.com

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There is no written evidence that John Green and Abigail Griffin were Native American. I come from the Thomas Seagal green lineage also! If Any Native American heritage was present at that point in the Green family it came from Thomas Green Nottoway Indian!  Perhaps an offspring of Captain Thomas Green. But not proven. Thomas Green Nottiway Indian Can be found in court records disputing the boundary between North Carolina and South Carolina along with Queen  Betty ruler of the Pamunkey tribe. Also Nicholas Major Nansemond Indian, And great Peter Robin Tucker

The direct Green male Ancestral from that lineage was from Europe. R 265.

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Here is the link to my great great aunt that claimed Native American ancestry. Through her grandfather Gardner Green. Not the one on the 1835 Mississippi roll. . That’s been disproven. 

For some reason there were three gardener greens on the planet at that time and one lived in New York which was a wealthy benefactor Of the gardener green young wolf on the 1835 Mississippi roll. This guy attended Brainerd Moravian University In Springtown Georgia.

Funny because my gardener green was living in Surrey North Carolina and 1777 backing up to the Moravian tract! What a coincidence so strange. Both connected to the Moravians.

Mary Green link ..Native American?

http://members.tripod.com/~Silver_Top/P9.htm

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Does anyone know who this Henry Green Going Snake District is? I have NA apps.  claiming my Green/Smith family is related to the Bushyheads.

841	227	Ar-cher-stol-lee	Delaware
842	227	Celia	Delaware
4374	227	Ta-con-nos-ene	Flint
6579	227	Elizaboth Bushyhead	Going Snake	5226
6580	227	Dennis W. Bushyhead	Going Snake
6581	227	Edward Bushyhead	Going Snake
6582	227	Daniel Busbyhead	Going Snake	4018
6583	227	Caroline Bushhead	Going Snake
6584	227	Eliza Bushyhead	Going Snake	5226
6585	227	Jesse Bushyhead	Going Snake	5226
6586	227	Nancy Bushyhead	Going Snake
6587	227	Henry Green	Going Snake	8011
8821	227	Homony Smith	Illinois
8822	227	Akey Smith	Illinois
8823	227	Te-char-ke-sah Smith	Illinois
9850	227	Nancy Hicks	Skin Bayou	8432
9851	227	Rufus Hicks	Skin Bayou
9852	227	Margaret Hicks	Skin Bayou
9853	227	Andrew Hicks	Skin Bayou
9854	227	Betsey Hicks	Skin Bayou
9855	227	Charles Hicks	Skin Bayou
9856	227	Nathan Hicks	Skin Bayou	8432
10848	227	Isaac Sanders	Tahlequah	3213
10849	227	Jane Sanders	Tahlequah
10850	227	Malinda Sanders	Tahlequah
10851	227	Margaret E. Sanders	Tahlequah	3213
10852	227	Rachel Sanders	Tahlequah
10853	227	Mary Sanders	Tahlequah
12832	227	Yer-ner-de-skar-he	Saline
12833	227	Ail-ich	Saline
12834	227	Becca	Saline
12835	227	Elo-c	Saline
12836	227	Ain-nie	Saline
12837	227	E-sar-ta-ske	Saline
12838	227	Sker-kin-ne	Saline

I believe this Henry Green is associated with my Gardner Green. Perhaps related to the Sanders family.

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What is this list?  The Bushyhead family - #227 on the Drennan Roll in Going Snake district -  does not include a Henry Green, it clearly reads Henry Drew.

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I looked at the images of the Drennan Roll, not a transcript.  The Bushyhead listing, #227 does not include Henry Green.  I’m not sure what the 6587 refers to, but this is incorrectly transcribed.  If that’s something from Don Greene, it’s complete garbage.

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I ordered the Drennon records..So let’s see who’s right. You’re freaking rude! Thnx

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Images of the Drennan Roll are on Ancestry; if you don’t hsve an account, most public libraries do.

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I don't see the Drennan Rolls on Ancestry, and I have an account. I got the Henry Green record from Access Genealogy. https://accessgenealogy.com/native/drennen-rolls.htm

Type in group 227

BTW my Green's are not related to Don Greene.

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Go to the card catalog, put in  Cherokee as the key word, then select censuses and rolls.  Over on the right there’s a browse menu and you can select the Drennan.  Or you can do a general search of the censuses on name, and then look at the individual records that come up, but you can’t limit a name search just to the Drennan.

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Here's a link to the image: https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/17864352?h=f96bda&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share-modal&utm_medium=copy-url

Henry Drew is handwritten into this group on the typed transcript used by Guion Miller.  Link:  https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/17864384?h=de61f9&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share-modal&utm_medium=copy-url

It was clearly mis-transcribed on Access genealogy.  I can understand that would cause confusion, but that's why it's always preferable to look at the original records whenever possible.

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I did see that you are correct. Sorry for the confusion. I reported it to Access Genealogy.

Answer 2

check link:

https://books.google.com/books?id=RnFbCAAAQBAJ&pg=PT132&lpg=PT132&dq=henry+greene+jr+running+fox&source=bl&ots=tpJ21FRKHA&sig=2rOdBBoemoTnxiLUzpPXp5SrZJ0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5w-HVe3hH4WngwTNtYCQBw&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=henry%20greene%20jr%20running%20fox&f=false

Comments

A late but sincere thanks to Frank and Doug for finding the book which mentions him. I am reluctant to rely on it, not just because of the red flag offered but also because the relationships mentioned do not seem to fit with what is on wiki tree.