Bohemian villages? "Brodadetts" and "Truyintoal"

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Family sources report ancestors named 

"Pierce Youngbar", born 18 Oct 1857 in "Brodadetts Germany" and his wife

"Johanna Konish" born 15 Oct 1863 in "Truyintoal Germany".

I have found census records which document a transistion from the name "Pius Jungbauer" to "Pierce Youngbar" with the same wife, residence and children. In the earliest (1900) census, the place of birth for both husband and wife (and their respective parents) is "Bohemia, Austria". Passenger Lists for Baltimore also include record of Pius and Johanna Jungbauer arriving from Bremen (in May 1885). 

I have not been able to identify any location remotely similar to "Brodadetts" or "Truyintoal" in Bohemia. Can anyone help me find some listing of German-speaking villages in 19th century Bohemia where I could continue my search?

Thanks in advance!

in Genealogy Help by GM Garrettson G2G6 Mach 3 (34.6k points)

Update 26 March 2024 04:10 (German time):

In the 1900 census, Piuz (age 41), Blacksmith, was the married head of household in Curtis Bay, Anne Arundel, Maryland.<ref>
'''1900 Census''':
"1900 United States Federal Census"<br/>
Year: 1900; Census Place: Curtis Bay, Anne Arundel, Maryland; Roll: 605; Page: 8; Enumeration District: 0012<br/>
{{Ancestry Sharing|11416137|7b22746f6b656e223a22674f424864687045397a43725870736d70496942593758304635695349743577323953347174594c4939633d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d}} - {{Ancestry Record|7602|78327602}} (accessed 25 March 2024)<br/>
Piuz Youngbauer (41), married, Blacksmith, head of household in Curtis Bay, Anne Arundel, Maryland. Born in Bohemia, Austria.
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1900 United States Federal Census - Ancestry.com

There is a Find-A-Grave memorial with dates and the adapted spelling: Pierce Youngbar (1858-1936) – Find a Grave Gedenkstätte

The "Brodadetts" and "Truyintoal" place names (place of birth for husband and wife, respectively) are from a family genealogy, I'm not really sure when or how that spelling was first recorded. Interesting (to me) is the fact that the family recorded "Germany" as their country of origin - although there was obviously no German Empire yet in 1858, just a growing movement of German-speaking people throughout the various parts of the Holy Roman Empire who, (perhaps "infected" by French revolutionary ideas following occupation by and defeat of Napoleonic forces) wanted to create a united "Germany" - the Revolutions of 1848 and the competing "large" (with Austrian territories) and "small" German solutions may provide a bit of historical context. Many Germans in Bohemia may have considered themselves part of that "proto-Germany". For the record, the first census records accurately cite Bohemia, Austria as place of birth (also for the immigrants' parents). 

 
the closest I could find for "Brodadetts" is 
 
 
which in German was called "Brodetz"
 
I haven't found any town resembling "Truyintoal", but the word suggests "Truyin Tal", which means "Truyin valley" in German.
 
If you can tolerate a bit of speculation, it may be interesting to note that
 
Brodce - Google Maps is on the "trnovsky potok", (Trnov river). Trnovský potok – Wikipédia (wikipedia.org) and only about a mile little village now called "Trnova", which is on the other side of the river. I consider it plausible that the place recorded as "Truyintoal" could have referred to the "Trnov valley" - so the birthplaces of Pierce Youngbar (Pius Jungbauer) and Johanna Konish (very probably "König" in the original German spelling) would have been quite close together, about 30 miles south-southwest of Prag.
 
 
For some history, which may help shed light on why the family, which obviously identified as "German" may have left the area in the early 1880s, see
 

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Could Brodadetts maybe be Brodec?

And, even more of a stretch, could Truyintoal be Trutnov (Trautenau)?

by Joke van Veenendaal G2G6 Mach 9 (97.2k points)
edited by Joke van Veenendaal

The Brodec in the Louny District is definitely also a possibility, especially since the German-speaking population may have been somewhat higher in that area (about 40 miles Northeast of Prag) than in the "Brodetz" (German name) I found in the Mladá Boleslav District (about 30 miles Northeast of Prag) or the Brodce (described above) which is a village within Dobříš in the  Příbram District. (about 30 miles Southwest of Prag).

Definitely will need more research into these various possibilities. The area around Dobříš was controlled by the German Counts of Mansfeld from 1630 to 1780, thereafter by the (Italian/Austrian/Bohemian) Counts of Colleredo-Mannsfeld. I haven't yet explored the attitudes of the ruling nobility toward the German and Bohemian nationalist movements of the late 1800s, but later generations of the Colleredo-Mannsfeld house had there lands confiscated by the Third Reich because they refused to accept German citizenship after Bohemia and Moravia were occupied and declared a "protectorate" (March 1939).     

The Trutnov (Trautenau) possibility is also intriguing. Definitely worth further research. Thanks!
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Passenger Lists for Baltimore also include record of Pius and Johanna Jungbauer arriving from Bremen (in May 1885).

Bremen was just the departing port. And the passenger list does not mention where they came from?

I can't located the names in the databases (https://www.public-juling.de/auswanderung/index.php?lang=en) maybe you can provide the documents (as image, link, etc.)?

by Jochen Oberreiter G2G6 Mach 1 (15.9k points)
Hi Jochen! Thanks for your help. I've added some links and updated information as a comment to the original question. The passenger lists for Baltimore are one of the sources I think relate to this family (the family settled and lived for many generations in Maryland). I have also seen intriguingly similar names and dates on passenger lists from Bremen to New York (If memory serves, arrival in New York was only a few days before arrival in Baltimore). On my "to-do" list: compare the names of the two ships, if possible. Maybe New York was a first port-of-call on the way to Baltimore?
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Bad Bochdanetsch/Lázně Bohdaneč?
by Helmut Jungschaffer G2G6 Pilot (606k points)
Thanks Helmut!  

The reach from "Brodadetts" to "Bad Bochdanetsch" seems a bit unlikely to me, but not impossible. If the various "Brodetz/Brodce" suggestions don't pan out, I will definitely give it a closer look!

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