Request For Assistance - John Hay (Hay-1038)

Question

Hello,

I am very likely the direct descendant of John Hay (Hay-1038).  I say this because at this point I have not proven it yet but I have seen several family trees that confirm the likelihood.  I’m attempting to find out whether or not he was my line's original immigrant to the US.  If not, then I hope to eventually discover which ancestor is my line's original Hay immigrant.

This John Hay was born in 1735 (approximately) in Virginia.  He is said to have married Mary Hendrick in 1758 in Virginia. He had the following children:

1) Thomas A. Hay (born 1766 in Pittsylvania County, VA – died 1830 in Russell County, VA) married Elizabeth Haley (born 1770 in Russell County, VA – died 17 Mar 1835 in Russell County, VA)

2) Reuben Hay (born 1776 Charlotte County, VA – died 1823 in Virginia) married Elizabeth Fuqua (born 1775 in Charlotte County, VA – died after 1823)

3) Elizabeth Hay (born 1 Apr 1792 in Charlotte County, VA – died 06 Dec 1882 in Somerset County, PA) married John George Weller (born 26 Apr 1792 – died 01 Mar 1867)

4) Dolly Hay (born in Charlotte County, VA) married William Browne (born 1759 in Surry County, VA)

5) Rachel Hay (born in Charlotte County, VA) married Joseph Graves

If anybody has more information or could help me in a concentrated and focused effort to find out more about this John Hay (Hay-1038) I would very much appreciate it.  Together, I look forward to furthering our shared knowledge of this line.

Thank you,

Richard Hay

Answer 1

Hello Richard,

I recommend ordering a Y-DNA37 test from Family Tree DNA.   If you have already had a Y-DNA test then your Y-DNA information will be automatically associated with your direct paternal line if you change your  privacy level from "Private" to "Private with Public Family Tree."

Sincerely, Peter

Comments

Hi Peter,

Thank you for your incredibly fast reply!

I have tested with both the National Genographic Project (Geno 2) and Family Tree DNA (BigY).  I have chosen not to post my genetic information here in an attempt to protect my privacy.

However, as you can see in the next reply this may have been mis-guided as my information was easily found and then reposted for all to see without my prior knowledge or consent.

If you would like to know more about my genetic information to help further, please private message me. I'm sure we can come to an agreement in order to pursue this John Hay (Hay-1038) line.

I thank you for your suggestion and for any future cooperation you may wish to provide.

Richard Hay

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Hello Richard,

Please read https://www.familytreedna.com/common-misconceptions.aspx

A Y-STR test such as the Y-DNA37 test reveals a Y chromosome haplotype (signature - with subtile variations) shared by every male in that direct paternal line in a genealogical timeframe.  Descendants with similar haplotypes can number in the thousands.  A Y-DNA37 test reveals the signature of a group of direct male line descendants.  It does not single out a unique individual.

Most sincerely, Peter

http://www.wikitree.com/blog/why-ysearch-matters/

Answer 2

It looks like you would be in X-XXXX within XX. Your group seems to have a unique signatures: DYS319=XX and DYS449=XX

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I see you've posted a FamilyFinder test. It would be great if you could also post your Y test to Wikitree. Or if you haven't taken a Y test it would be very useful for you to do so.

Good luck with your search!

Comments

Hi Roland,

Thank you for your very fast reply, also!

As you may have read, above, I tested both Geno 2 and BigY.  I realize it may not be a popular choice but for personal reasons, I have chosen not to post my genetic information here.

However, as you know I can only maintain a certain amount of privacy when sharing information with Family Tree DNA in order to benefit from the research findings they provide.  After all, you quite quickly found information on me I'd prefer to only share privately and then only with my prior knowledge and consent.

If you would like to know more about my genetic information to help further, please private message me. I welcome your knowledge, experience and assistance.  I'm sure we can come to an agreement in order to pursue this John Hay (Hay-1038) line.

I thank you for your suggestion and for any future cooperation you may wish to provide.

Richard Hay

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I edited my post just in case it showed information you didn't want on G2G.

Not a problem if you don't want to post these data on WIkitree. You can probably find most of what you need on FTDNA. But I hope that we can eventually also pool Y-DNA data on genealogy sites to better mine these data to confirm or deny certain lineages. This is a very big haplotype but since you did BigY you obviously have the best data imaginable. If you have not done so please consider uploading you BigY file to YFull.com for analysis and then sharing these results back to the R1b Admin at FTDNA for further analysis.

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Hey Roland!

Thanks for the gesture.  I appreciate it.

I wasn't able to find any verifiable close genetic matches via Family Tree DNA.  I was able to find one verified genetic match through GedMatch.  Other than that the genetic genealogy is not going as fruitful as hoped.  Time will tell.

 

Richard

Answer 3

I would like solicit opinions from anyone researching the parentage of John Hay who died in Charlotte County Virginia in 1799.

Based on the attached records of Robert Hay born in 1694 in York County Virginia, and the birth of a John Hay born in 1731 in York County Virginia, can a father son relation be established by these two records. 

Thanks for any input you would care to provide.

"Virginia Births and Christenings, 1584-1917", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VR5B-6YS : 28 January 2020), Robert Hay in entry for John Hay, 1731.

"Virginia Births and Christenings, 1584-1917", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VR51-FVV : 28 January 2020), Robert Hay, 1694.