Is there Native American ancestry associated with Charles Chandonnet

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Why do you think there might be?  In looking at your sources they all appear to be solidly French.  While it is possible a French man had relations with a woman from the New World, I did not see anything in what you have on line that looks like an ancestor not coming from France.   

So, just wondering where the question is coming from?
by Laura Bozzay G2G6 Pilot (842k points)
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Charles Chandonnet (s/o Andre & Charlotte Frechet / Fichot / Fisher), [civil marriage] 1 Jul 1792 Michillimackinac/ 16 Jul 1804 [church marriage] to Charlotte Marcot, d. 2 Jan 1806 Mackinac Island, MI (dau. of Jean-Baptiste Marcot[te] & Marianne Neskesh / Nesketh / Mighissens / Magisan / Amighissen aka Sarrasin).  Marianne, who was 1m. to Claude-Joseph Pelle-de-LaHaye, is the daughter of Returning Cloud.  Is that the connection your are looking for?  There are others.
by James LaLone G2G6 Mach 6 (63.0k points)

Chandonnet-8 wikilinked in about question, who was born 18 Oct 1678 in St-Calais (Notre-Dame), France and died 27 Jun 1756 in Québec, is the sone of Gatien Chandonné and Marguerite Legeay, is the husband of Elizabeth-Marie (Bourgette) Bourget married 13 Jun 1712 in Québec (Notre Dame) and is the father of Charles Chandonnet.

So it appears that reply applies to the son, while question applies to the father.

 

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This is a tough one to crack, but I have been trying. Charles Chandonne, son of Andre Chandonne (1720-1790)and Charlotte Frechet (1722-1799) was also known as Charles Chesaugan Shissahecon Agacouchin Chadonne.  His Father Andre was also known as "Chief Anaquiba" Chandonne.  I can find NO evidence that Anaquiba had any Indian blood as his parents, Sargen Charles Chandonnet and Elizabeth Bouget appear to be 100% French.  It is possible that andre was kidnapped and raised as an Indian, and took his Indian name and became a Chief. Several of his offspring became famous/infamous leaders. [Andre Anaquiba is my 5th great grandfather] Antiquiba had two wives, Charlotte Frechet (m.1742) and "Straits Chart" Katabwe (m. 1742).  Between the two of them, there were 19 children.  The Children of Katabwe all have Indian names plus the Chandonne in some cases, not all.

One son, Topinabee Ko-K-Jub-Ii (1758-1826) was the last of the great Pottawatomie Chief, was aligned with the British in the War of 1812, was a brave and good leader, but like many who were fed whisky to get their native lands away, he fell off his horse drunk in 1826 and died from the injuries.

From the same mother, Topinabee had a brother, Charles Chesaugan Sissahecon Agacouchin (1763-before 1799), better known as Agacouchin. From his stepmother, Charlotte Frechet, he had another brother Charles Francois Chandonne (1763-1813) (note, born the same year).

Interestingly Agacouchin and Francois married sisters who were 50% Indian (Mother was "Otter" Neskeet).

Agacouchin married Marguerite Marcot (1771-1843) in 1792 and had 7 children with her before he died sometime before 1799. His oldest was Jean Baptiste Chandonnai [my Ancestor] but was not yet 10 when his Dad died, leaving Marguerite Chi-Pe-Wa-Qua Marcot Chandonne with a big brood to raise. I have not tracked them down, Names: Jean Baptiste, Louis Joseph, Charlotte, Kesis Poskow, Hortense, and Lewis.

Well the story continues...Agacouchin's brother, Charles Francois Chandonne, married to Charlot Marcot did not have any children 5-7 years into their marriage and they took Jean Baptiste into their home and raised him as a son, teaching him trapping and the fur business around Mackinc Island. Francois was also aligned with the British.

Jean Baptiste as a young man (18-20?) went to work for a real wheeler dealer John Kinzie, who was everything from a Justice of the Peace to a murder, and mostly a trader. Kinzie was aligned with the Americans in the War of 1812. The two had British arrest warrants on their heads and a big reward. Kinzie was caught and almost shipped to England, but escaped and returned.  JB spent some time in British irons, bet not only escaped, he helped rescue some an Ameerican in charge of Fort Dearborn (with he new bride).

The sad part of JB's story is that in 1813 his "adopted" father in another confrontation tried to capture JB to take him in to the British...JB drew a line in the ground and said not to cross. Charles Francois crossed and was shot dead by his nephew/son.  

JB went on to follow in his grandfather, Anaquiba's footsteps and kept, simultaneously, an Indian wife (4 children) and a French wife, 3 children.  One of the French children is my 2nd great grandmother. It is real hard to figure out what her % Indian is but, at last I think I am 1.58% Pottawatomie.

The real fun, sometime, will be to see about the kidnapping possibility of Anaquiba  In my "other" side of my family, the Rices from England, some of the Rice boys were kidnapped and raised as Indians in Canada, but we have reunited with some of their descendants!  Some, when they were attempted to be rescued..refused to leave their tribe.

Hope this isn't too inaccurate...I glean what I can from the internet.  Robbie Gries,
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What sources do you have for this information ?
I had the same question.

luv ya, Miss Jillaine heartkiss

As I said, it is a difficult one to crack. I went through all of the Family Trees on Ancestry.com.  It can get very confusing with different wives and different children.  I tried to put together a composite along with the Historical writings about Jean Baptiste Chandonnai that went into his two families (Mary Louisa Chapoton and Kesis), his historic relationships with his father and adopted father...which I did not realize were half brothers until I discovered them in several of the genealogies.  I went through numbers of them to try to fit all the puzzle pieces together (many conflicting with each other), and in that case I tried to "best guess" and tie to history.  And to further complicate it, when you read the NUMEROUS references to Jean Baptiste Chandonnai in the history books, they often mis represent which was his birth father and which was his uncle/adopted father that he killed.

Some of the genealogies I looked at were Burnett Family, which unfortunately confuses Charles Agacouchin and Charles Francois (different mothers) both sons of Aniquiba.

 frank Tyks Family tree as many of the children by Marguerite "Chi-Pe-Wa-Qua" or Chippawah Marcot listed.

Many of the other genealogies list 2-3 more wives of Aniquba, and another spouse for Marguerite Marcot, which I think is true as I have seen it in several.   

feel free to email me  rrgries@gmail.com
family trees aren't sources

documents, history books, are sources
Aw, you are so correct and spoken like a true genealogist.  I am mostly a history buff and looking to put my family's lives and travels perspective. There are some good sources in some of these Family trees (marriage, birth, death records), but I don't have the time to go after all of them if I am to finish before I die!  All the best.

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