1861 census lost

Question

trying to find a 1861 census record for william granfell payne, ayne, pain, paine but can not find him in 1861 other names used are genfell, grenville and phe is in cornwall in 1851 and 1871 with his wife elizabeth(betsy)

Comments

Can you share more about William?  Town of residence in 1851 and 1871? Estimated birth year? Occupation?  Any bit of information might help locating and confirming a record.

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sorry i thought i put a birth year he was born in 1813 in saint columb and the census are showing saint columb major has 3 children, william, joseph and ruth also born in cornwall

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Name:	William Grenfell Payne
Estimated birth year:	abt 1842
Registration Year:	1871
Registration Quarter:	Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death:	29
Registration district:	Penzance
Parishes for this Registration District:	View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County:	Cornwall
Volume:	5c
Page:	223 Name: William Payne Age: 18 Estimated birth year: 1843 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: St Buryan, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: St Buryan County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Penzance Sub-registration district: St Buryan ED, institution, or vessel: 1c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 79 Piece: 1599 Folio: 11 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age James Stone 37 Mary Stone 37 Thomas Stone 14 Margaret Stone 9 Joanna Stone 5 Sarah J Prowse 18 Mary A Prowse 11 William Payne 18

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Apologies for atrocious layout!

First is possible death for Glanvill junior, and second is a possibility for him in 1861 with his mother Stones family? He's picked up William somewhere along the line too though?

Answer 1

Excuse me, but where did "William" come from?  In the 1851 census he is called Glanvill Payne, and in the 1871 census he is called Glanvill Pain.  And the 1851 census shows more than 3 children: there is Mary Ann age 10, Glanvill age 8, Joseph age 5, and Ruth age 2.  Or have I got the wrong family?  In 1871 only Joseph is still at home, age 24 and a miner, but there is also a grandson called William H Cotton, age 14.

Is this the right family?

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yes that is the correct family which i have found and he was born in cornwall

Answer 2

Found Joseph G Payne, age 14, on the 1861 census, working as a farm servant in Boskenna, St Buryan, Penzance (where his mother came from).  Farmer William Jelbert, Farmer Of 100 Acres Employing 4 Men & 2 Boys.

Now to find the others.

Answer 3

I must be getting good at this as I got the same as Ros, glad I was on the right track!

I'm stumped on the 1861 census though so I started going through enumeration district 1 for St Colomb Major by page!

An interesting notation a few pages in shows a vacant house, recently vacated by a family of 5. (Assuming Mary Ann aged 20 by then had moved out there would be 5 of them!)

Even more interestingly the address is the same road, listed in 1851 as Fore St and in 1861 as Fair St. Today you can see these are in fact the same road, the name changes about 1\2 way down!

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interesting but im also stumped as i cant find any of the younger ones in 1861 either really strange and good point about street name