Ancestry of William Blethyn

Question

This line came up in the G2G discussion on descendants of Edward III.  This appears to be another incorrect/unproven line.  Les Blevins has put a lot of effort into the research and even cites his own book, but there appears to be no actual evidence as to the origins of this Blethyn/Blevins family.

William Blethyn-5 is said to be the son of a Henry Blethyn-7.  Henry was apparently recorded as a crew member on the ship ‘’Submission’’, one of twenty-three immigrant ships in “Penn's Fleet".  After some searching around, there appears to be no actual reason to think William was a son of Henry.

This Henry Blethyn-7 is then given as a son of James Blethyn and Anne (Browne) Blethyn.  Again this seems completely unsupported.  What is the reason to think that Henry was the son of James?  Why is he given a birth place of Lancashire, England and then connected to a family in Monmouthshire, Wale?

I am hoping to get the thoughts of Les Blevins who wrote:

• Leslie W. Blevins Jr., et. al., comp. The Longhunters: A Report on the History and Family Of William Blevins Sr. of Virginia, Showing 25 Ascendants, and Uncounted Descendants. ISBN 978-4653-9999-1.

Comments

for Magna Carta - no such person documented by Douglas Richardson (at least, search of Google Book's copy of Magna Carta Ancestry for Blethyn, Blevins, & Blevin came up empty).

for Royal Ancestry - went through the indexes & closest I could find was a few entries for Blythe (minor entry in Vol IV. pp 351, 550 and major & minor entries in Vol V). Vol V minor entries, pp 223, 391. The major entry, p 391, was for Margaret Blythe & Anthony Wolseley (b c1510). The family does not appear to be related to the Blythn/Blevins/etc. of this question (as currently shown in WikiTree). Going back in William Blethyn's tree to right timeframe for a Margaret Blythe, "daughter of William Blythe, Esq., of Norton, Derbyshire" gets us to the Welsh [John ap Morgan Bleddyn] with no William attached, although a note in his profile is "Pedigree Roll of William Blethyn" (with an Ancestry link to an image file based on the file name - takes me to a sign-in page).

Answer 1

Bartrum site is down for maintenance, but i think I have a lead on one of the ancestors - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Dyfnwal-1

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=aet%2Dt&id=I27755 cites

1. Title: A History of Monmouthshire from the Coming of the Normans into Wales down to the Present Time
   Author: Sir Joseph Alfred Bradney
   Publication: The Hundred of Caldicot, London, 1932
   Page: p.151
2. Title: Welsh Genealogies AD 300-1400
   Author: Peter Clement Bartrum
   Publication: 8 Vols. Cardiff, 1974, microfiche edition, 1980
   Page: Rhydderch ap Iestyn 2, p.759.

Neither is a super great source, but both might give more leads.

It appears that what is in The Longhunters book, and now in WikiTree, may have misinterpreted its source for Bleddyn ap Dyfnwal's ancestry (at least I think Longhunters is citing Turner-Thomas's Celtic Royal Genealogy database... the book offers a link that doesn't work, but matches up to =aet_t the link for Angharad: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=aet%2Dt&id=I49423 - there were some more rootsweb urls given as sources for Bleddyn's immediate family, but I didn't explore them).

The Turner-Thomas's entry for Angharad cites just Bartrum. For 1100s folks, it's best to find additional support for Bartrum's information (haven't been able to look at the referenced chart to see if Bartrum notes any sources).

1. Title: Welsh Genealogies AD 300-1400
   Author: Peter Clement Bartrum
   Publication: 8 Vols. Cardiff, 1974, microfiche edition, 1980
   Page: Rhydderch ap Iestyn 1, p.758

 

Comments

Bartrum site's up, but I need to log off. Definitely need more sources.

http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5372/rhydderch%20ap%20iestyn%202.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y - rhydderch ap iestyn 2 - shows Dyfnwal ap Iorwerth (father of Bleddyn m a daughter of Ieuan Grant), but rhydderch ap iestyn 1 has a handwritten note saying Dyfnwal ab Owain ap Iorwerth... see http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5268/rhydderch%20ap%20iestyn%201.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y ... let me know if you can figure out the citation for the note: "(Canns 87)" ? Not sure if I'm reading it right as Canns (and not sure what it stands for).

I am fairly sure that the intent was to change Dyfnwal from son of Iorwerth to his grandson, by Owain. The circled 5 by Dyfnwal's name is for the generation (Iorwerth is 3).

Good luck!

P.S. I did some searching of the Ancient Wales Studies site - bleddyn site:http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/ in Google - but nothing jumped out as this Bleddyn.