How reliable is the "Genesis of the White Family", as it refutes the Robert W. White (1558) connection to Hungerford?

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I reluctantly concur with the challenge to the claim that Robert White and Alice Wright of Somerset are the parents of Robert W. White of Essex . I say reluctant because this breaks my connection to Hungerford and Charlemagne. If Emma White's "Genesis of the White Family" is correct, Robert, son of Robert and Alice, remained in Somerset and founded his own line. Ironically, this book refutes direct connection to Hungerford, only a cousin connection. So the claim of scores of LDS entries are at risk, even if the Somerset-Essex connection were true.

The true parents of Robert W. White may be identified in the parish records of nearby Bulmer, Essex, where Henry White and Mary had issue: Robert, 10 June 1560. This connection is supported by the eighth child of Henry and Mary: Rosa 1572. Robert's third child Ann, 22 Jan 1597 in nearby Hadstock, is frequently identified as Rose Ann, and Rose is a quite unusual name, I believe, in this area and time.

 

WikiTree profile: Robert White
in Genealogy Help by Donald Darms G2G1 (1.4k points)
Hi Don Darms,

Is there a WikiTree profile about thie Robert White of Somerset,? Robert W. White of Essex? If so, a link would be helpful.

The entry that originally alerted me to the problem was:

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/White-255

Michael Lechner made this entry and I hope to get in contact with him to see if there is any further progress.

Have fashioned some survey work as an answer. Will post in segments.

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1. Your results may vary, but in my own work, I did not identify historical records, or notations about same, that confirmed some of the details in the original post. Hoping only to be helpful, my notes follow.

a. “Robert ... White … of Essex.”  Assuming this is the man in WikiTree profile White-225, he was the father of four early New England immigrants.[1] Historical records associated with this Robert White were located at or reference the locations Messing and Shalford. His wife was Bridget Allgar, daughter of William; she was baptized 1562 at Shalford.[2] Robert White’s lengthy will [3] included a bequest to the “preacher of God’s word at Withersfield in Essex” (aka Wethersfield [4]).

I did not find historical records or references calling out a middle name or initial for White-225, nor a date “1558.” Likewise, I did not find any association with the place “Bulmer” and/or a man, Henry White.

b. Various records and/or references to same exist about Ann White of Shalford and Messing, aka White-437, the daughter of White-225. Together with other children of Robert and Bridget (Allgar) White, a record of Ann’s baptism at Shalford, Essex (13 July 1600), was noticed in 1901 [5] and with more detail in 1915. [6] She was unmarried at the time her father wrote his will (1617).[7] Both the 1901 and 1915 published accounts notice her marriage in the Messing register to “John Porter of Felstead” as “Ann” or “Ann White of Messing.” [8] She and her husband had immigrated to Windsor by 1639. Ann resided there on the lot adjacent to her sister, Mary (White) Loomis.

Perhaps you have knowledge of further records, but those published in 1901 and 1915 make no reference to her as “Rose Ann” nor is she associated with a baptism in 1597 and/or reported “the third child” of White-225.

2.  Don wrote, “How reliable is the "Genesis of the White Family ..."

Varlous "same surname" White family lines are reported in the 1920 work by Emma Siggins White and Martha Humphreys Maltby, Genesis of the White family : a connected record of the White family … [9]

As to relevant entries about the family of “Robert and Alice” White of Somerset and Robert White of Essex, the 1920 authors seemed to be summarizing information found in earlier published materials about those families.  

(a) The 1920 authors address the family of Robert and Alice White of Somerset at pp. 36-37.[10]  For the earlier substantial body of research about the same family, published in 1913, see Almira White, Ancestry of John Barber White and his descendants.[11] This earlier work incorporated an array of documentation, including the “Chancery Proceedings” (likely those referred to in the 1920 work [12]).

(b) The 1920 authors address the family of Robert and Bridget White of Essex at p. 336.[13] Referenced previously in this thread, earlier-dated substantial materials about Robert White of Essex are

"The Children of Robert White of Messing, Co. Essex, England, who settled in Hartford and Windsor," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 55 (1901):22-31; digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014). In his sketch of the immigrant John White (d. Hartford), Robert Charles Anderson called this "an excellent article on the White family in England, and the connections to other New England immigrants" [The Great Migration Begins ... (1995), 3:1979].

Frank Farnsworth Starr [and James Junius Goodwin], Various ancestral lines of James Goodwin and Lucy (Morgan) Goodwin of Hartford, Connecticut, 2 vols. (1915, reprint in 199?), 2:395-419 ("The Family of Robert White"); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014). In his sketch of the immigrant John White (d. Hartford), Robert Charles Anderson called this the "best account in print of the immigrant and his children" [The Great Migration Begins ... (1995), 3:1979].

Separately, as part of an 1860 work on John White (d. Hartford; otherwise known as Robert and Bridget’s son), an appendix of transcribed documents pertaining to the area of Clemsford, Essex, England,  “obtained from H. G. Somerby, Esq.,” was published. See Allyn Stanley Kellogg [and Josephine Almira Gleason Siems], Memorials of Elder John White, one of the first settlers in Hartford, Conn., and of his descendants.[14]

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by GeneJ X G2G6 Pilot (119k points)
selected by Vincent Piazza
 
3. Based largely on the 1913, 1901 and 1915 published materials, two different men, both Robert White, are reported the fathers of two early New England immigrants, both John White.
 
(a) John White, reported the son of Robert and Bridget (Allgar) White. 
 
This John White (c 1697-1683/4) has wife “Mary (Lev)it”; imm. 1632 (Lyon), resided Cambridge (Massachusetts), then Hartford (Connecticut), then Hadley; returning to Hartford in 1671.[15] 
 
(b) John White, reported the son of Robert and Joan White and grandson of Robert and Alice White.[16] 
 
This John White (c 1601/2-bef 10 May 1673), wife Joan West[17]; imm. (?) 1639, resided Salem/Wenham (Massachusetts), then Lancaster.[18]
 
4. Don wrote, "refutes ... connection to Hungerford."
 
About Robert White (m. Bridget Allgar), Frank Farnsworth Starr wrote in 1915.  "Of White's parentage and earlier history, we have no knowledge."  
 
(There didn't seem to have been an ancestral connection about Robert White/White-255 that the 1920 authors would have "refuted." ) 
 
5. As with all genealogical work, findings are subject to review based on improved discovery of historical records and reasoning. 
 
Martin Hollick has written two books referencing later dated materials published about early immigrants to New England. You’ll want to seek out his later work.[19] The materials below are reported in the earlier, 2006 work.[20] 
 
About John White, imm. 1632, d. of Hartford:
 
“GMB III:1976-1979.” See Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-­1633, Volumes I­-III, 3 vols. (1995), 3:1976-1979 (John White). 
 
“Colonial 183-197.” See Mary Naomi Foster and Edward H. Little, editors, Colonial ancestors : four lineal genealogies of eastern Connecticut families descending from: William Andrews of Hartford, Robert Fuller of Salem and Rehoboth, Lazarus Manley of Coventry and Mansfield, John White of Hartford and Hadley (1991). This work was accessible via the Family History Library Catalog.
 
“Nichols 163-65.” See Clara Pierce Olson Overbo, Ancestors & descendants of Clark Proctor Nichols and Sarah (Sally) Stoughton : in England and America, 1620-2001 (2002). This work was accessible via the Family History Library Catalog.
 
“Johnson 377-79” See Willard Marshall Bollenbach, Jr., The New England ancestry of Alice Everett Johnson, 1899-1986 : memoirs and Bollenbach genealogy (2003). This work was reported available for access from OpenLibrary. (The work was checked out when I sought access.)
 
About John White, imm. by 1639, d. of Lancaster:
 
“MJ 18:153-56” Search for the passengers of the Mary & John, 1630, Burton Spear, ed., volume 18, pages 153-156. Family History Library Catalog has an entry for this work, but it is not accessible online. (I’ve previously used FamilySearch’s “Photoduplication Service” to access information in this publication.)

Note: Burton Spear was an authority on the families of Somerset. Those interested in this lineage will hopefully seek out this work. 

(references in comment that follows)

--references

[1] These immigrants are, (a) John White (imm. 1632; d. Hartford); (b) Elizabeth (White) Goodwin, wife of William; (c) Mary (White) Loomis, wife of Joseph; and (c) Anne (White) Porter, wife of John. Among others, see See Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-­1633, Volumes I­-III, 3 vols. (1995), 3:1976-1979 (John White).
 
[2] Citing author’s 1891 examination of the Shalford church registers in Frank Farnsworth Starr [and James Junius Goodwin], Various ancestral lines of James Goodwin and Lucy (Morgan) Goodwin of Hartford, Connecticut, 2 vols. (1915, reprint in 199?), 2:395 (in particular part); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
 
[3] Frank Farnsworth Starr [and James Junius Goodwin], Various ancestral lines of James Goodwin ...,  2:396-398 (in particular part, will of Robert White, 1617); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
 
[4] Frank Farnsworth Starr ..., Various ancestral lines of James Goodwin ..., 2:396-398 (in particular part, will of Robert White, 1617); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
 
[5] "The Children of Robert White of Messing, Co. Essex, England, who settled in Hartford and Windsor," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 55 (1901):22, 23 (in particular part); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014)
 
[6] Frank Farnsworth Starr [and James Junius Goodwin], Various ancestral lines of James Goodwin ..., 2:398-399 (in particular part, child list); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
 
[7] Frank Farnsworth Starr  ..., Various ancestral lines of James Goodwin ..., 2:396-398 (in particular part, will of Robert White, 1617); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
 
[8] Frank Farnsworth Starr ..., Various ancestral lines of James Goodwin ..., 2:398-399 (in particular part, child list); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
 
[9] Emma Siggins White and Martha Humphreys Maltby, Genesis of the White family : a connected record of the White family beginning in 900 at the time of its Welsh origin when the name was Wynn, and tracing the family into Ireland and England (1920); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014). In particular part, see pp. 36-37 (Robert White and Alice ____); and p. 336 (Robert White and Bridgette Allgar).
 
[10] Emma Siggins White and Martha Humphreys Maltby, Genesis of the White family  .... (1920), 36-37 (Robert White and Alice ____); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
 
[11] Almira White, Ancestry of John Barber White and his descendants (1913), 12-13 (Robert White m. Alice ____), 13 (Robert White m. Joan ____); digital images Hathi Trust (accessed 2014). Transcriptions of what are thought to be relevant wills, inventories, Chancery Proceeds, provided at pp. 14-26
 
[12] Almira White, Ancestry of John Barber White and his descendants (1913), 14-26 (various transcription, including chancery proceedings); digital images Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
 
[13] Emma Siggins White and Martha Humphreys Maltby, Genesis of the White family ... (1920), 336 (Robert White and Bridgette Allgar); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
 
[14] Allyn Stanley Kellogg [and Josephine Almira Gleason Siems], Memorials of Elder John White, one of the first settlers in Hartford, Conn., and of his descendants (1860), 279-281 (in particular part); digital images, Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).  
 
[15]  See also and especially, Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-­1633, Volumes I­-III, 3 vols. (1995), 3:1976-1979 (John White).
 
[16] Saying (p. 13), "the Chancery Proceedings show that [Robert White m. Joan ____] was the father of John White of Wenham and Lancaster," Almira White, Ancestry of John Barber White and his descendants (1913), 13 (Robert White and Joan ____), 25-35 (John White of Wenham and Lancaster; m. Joan West); digital images Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
 
[17] Joan West's ancestry advanced further in Particia A. Metsch, "The identity of Phillipa, second wife of Nicholas West of Drayton, Somerset, and grandmother of Joan (West) White, of Lancaster, Massachusetts," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 162 (2008):93- 97; digital images, AmericanAncestors.org (accessed 2014). 
 
[18] Almira White, Ancestry of John Barber White ..., 25-35 (John White of Wenham and Lancaster; m. Joan West); digital images Hathi Trust (accessed 2014).
 
[19] Martin Hollick, New Englanders in the 1600s: A Guide to Genealogical Research Published Between 1980 and 2010 (Expanded Edition) (2012).
 
[20] Martin Hollick, New Englanders in the 1600s: a guide to genealogical research published between 1980 and 2005 (2006).
Many thanks to GeneJ for wonderfully detailed tips for further research. Most helpful!
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Not an answer to this question but would all the Whites in Essex have a connection?

My husbands White family come from Waltham - Abbey Essex the earliest that I have is a James White born in 1772 and buried in 1835 same place Parents Jno. Eliza. he was married to a Mary Green and they had 6 children.

The family descendents also lived at Waltham Cross and William + Mary from Wiltshire. But very few in the graveyard and only one present day in the telephone book so it appears they only stayed for a couple of generations there.

No DNA it is my husbands mothers family and only one male presently available for a DNA

Their children were more adventuresome as they then moved to Lismore in Australia and some even ventyres to Sydney in the next generation.

I couldn't find any really early records for them before 1772 so I am presumming that they moved to Waltham from somewhere else to work supplying the vege. market in London.

I would be interested in this other White family you mention if someone has a family tree online.
by Heather Douglas G2G6 Mach 1 (17.6k points)
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This discussion has clarified my understanding of how the ancestry of Robert White-255 has gotten so badly garbled across the internet.  Robert White-255 of Messing, Exxex, father of John White-548 of Hartford, Connecticut, has been confused with Robert White-3013, father of John White-145 (d. 1673) of Wenham and Lancaster, Massachusetts.

And both of these separate White families have been falsely given the same illustrious medieval ancestry, by another confusion names three generations further back:

Following "The Ancestry of John Barber White and His Descendants," Robert White-3013 was the son of Robert White-624 of South Petherton, who was the son of Richard White-626 of Hillfarrance, Somerset.  Richard's father was Thomas White-433 of Meriot, but two separate Thomas Whites have been merged in his wikitree profile.  One of them, Sir Thomas White of South Warnborough, Hampshire (with the illustrious medieval ancestry) married Agnes WHITE and died in 1566, per http://heathhist.pbworks.com/w/page/22267714/SirThomasWhite1567 .  The other Thomas White, of Meriot, Somerset, married Agnes RICHARDS and died before 1549, per "The Ancestry of John Barber White", page 11, at http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89062439161;view=1up;seq=23
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