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Frances (Cotton) Abell (abt. 1573 - bef. 1646)

Frances Abell formerly Cotton
Born about in Combermere, Cheshire, Englandmap
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Wife of — married May 1599 in Wrenbury, Cheshire, Englandmap
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Died before before about age 73 in Leicestershire, Englandmap
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Biography

Frances Cotton was the daughter of Richard Cotton, Esq., of Combermere, Cheshire, England, by his 1st wife, Mary (Mainwaring) (daughter of Sir Arthur Mainwaring of Ightfield by his wife Margaret (Mainwaring) of Over Peover). She was born in about 1573.[1][2]

On 1 May 1599, at Wrenbury, Cheshire, Frances married George Abell of Hemington, Leicestershire.[1][2][3] That George's wife had the last name Cotton is confirmed by his will which refers to several of her siblings as his brothers, meaning brothers-in-law: it also gives her first name.[4] They had 3 sons and 1 daughter:

Frances survived her husband, who was buried 13 September 1630 at Lockington, Leicestershire, but she probably died before 16 April 1646.[1][2][3]

Research Notes

Mother

The Abell Family in America (1940) states that Frances was her father's daughter by his second marriage, to Jane Seyliard, but gives no source to support this.[5]

Both Carl Boyer's Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (2001)[3] and Douglas Richardson[2] state that Frances was born in about 1573: this was several years before Richard's second marriage took place. Boyer adds that "The will of Jane (Seyliard) Cotton's mother provides conclusive evidence, through its careful list of heirs, that Jane had only one daughter, Jane." Both Boyer and Richardson cite a 1984 article, Ancestry of Frances (Cotton) Abell, in 'The Genealogist' (journal of the Association for the Promotion of Scholarship in Genealogy, New York City), issue 5 (pp. 158-171).

Doubtful Daughter

Marlyn Lewis's website,[6] which is not a reliable source, adds an unsourced daughter for Frances: Joanne, wife of John Post, mother of Thomas Post who died in 1691 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. No sources are given for her, her alleged husband, or their alleged son, Thomas, although backtracking to Thomas's wife leads to Lewis's sourced entry for Obadiah Bruen, father of Rebecca who married Thomas Post. Richardson's Royal Ancestry lists a daughter of Obadiah called Rebecca as wife of Thomas Post, but does not have additional information on them. Thomas Post who married Rebecca Bruen has a profile [[1]], which shows him as son of Stephen Post and Elinor Panton and as dying in 1701.

Frances's father Richard Cotton had a daughter named Jane by his 2nd wife, Jane Seyliard, who "was living 22 Sept. 1593, but she died before 20 Feb. 1603/4."[7]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), Vol. I, p. 2, ABELL 12, Google Books
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), Vol. I, p. 107, ABELL 12
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 Carl Boyer, 3rd. The Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell, pub. the author, 2001, pp. 1-2, Familysearch and 71-72, Familysearch
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 The National Archives, ref. PROB 11/159/158, Will of Georg Abell, Gentleman of Hemington, Leicestershire, Discovery Centre catalogue entry
  5. Horace A Abell & Lewis P Abell. The Abell Family in America, Turtle Publishing, 1940, p. 36, Ancestry.co.uk
  6. "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed September 2, 2017), see family for Frances Cotton.
  7. Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), Vol. I, p. 1, ABELL 11, Google Books

Acknowledgements

Magna Carta Project

This profile was re-reviewed for the Magna Carta Project by Michael Cayley on 29 June 2022.
Frances (Cotton) Abell is in a Richardson-documented trail from Gateway Ancestor Robert Abell to Magna Carta Surety Baron Saher de Quincy (Magna Carta Ancestry, vol. I, pages 1-2 ABELL). This trail was developed for the Magna Carta Project by Jayme Arrington and reviewed/approved/badged in September 2017 by Liz Shifflett. See the Magna Carta Trails below to view the profiles on this trail.
See Base Camp for more information about identified Magna Carta trails and their status. See the project's glossary for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".

Magna Carta Trails

Badged Richardson documented trail to Saher de Quincy (MCA I:1-2 ABELL):
Gateway Ancestor Robert Abell (badged/R&A 27 June 2022)
1. Robert is the son of Frances Cotton (badged/R&A 29 Jun 2022)
2. Frances is the daughter of Richard Cotton (badged/100% 5-star)
3. Richard is the son of George Cotton (badged/re-review 3 July 2022)
4. George is the son of Cecily Mainwaring (badged/100% 5-star)
5. Cecily is the daughter of Jane Sutton (badged/100% 5-star)
6. Jane is the daughter of Elizabeth Berkeley (badged/100% 5-star)
7. Elizabeth is the daughter of John Berkeley (badged/100% 5-star)
8. John is the son of Thomas de Berkeley (badged/100% 5-star)
9. Thomas is the son of Maurice de Berkeley (badged/100% 5-star)
10. Maurice is the son of Joan de Ferrers (badged/100% 5-star)
11. Joan is the daughter of Margery de Quincy (badged/100% 5-star)
12. Margery is the daughter of Roger de Quincy (badged/100% 5-star)
13. Roger is the son of Magna Carta Surety Saher de Quincy




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I believe Frances Cotton was the daughter of Richard and his second of three wives - Jane Syliard, married in 1578 at St. Olave, Jewry, London. His first wife was Mary Mainwaring and they had 7 children, with Jane he had two daughters Jane and Frances, third wife was Phillipa, widow of John Dormer (probably) no issue known. Ref: Abell Family in America, published in the 50's
posted by Michael Abell
The relevant pages of the Abell Family in America can be seen at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/12628/images/dvm_GenMono001867-00025-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&rc=1524%2C628%2C1731%2C671%3B230%2C751%2C552%2C793%3B550%2C750%2C826%2C793&pId=37&backurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ancestry.co.uk%2F. They give no source or evidence for saying that Frances was the product of her father's second marriage. Later works point to her mother being her father's first wife.

Carl Boyer, in a more recent book (2001) on the Abell family, gives Frances a birth date of c.1573. “Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell", 2001, p. 72, viewable - free registration required - at Open Library, https://openlibrary.org/works/OL2775743W/Medieval_English_ancestors_of_Robert¹_Abell. If that is right, her father’s second wife cannot be her mother.

According to Douglas Richardson, Frances was born around 1573, and was the product of her father's first marriage.

Both Richardson and Boyer (in Boyer’s case on p. 164 and other pages) cite an article in The Genealogist, 5, 1984, pp. 158-171 entitled "Ancestry of Frances (Cotton) Abell". I do not think this is freely available on the web, but I may be wrong.

The Magna Carta Project does not regard Richardson as infallible but it needs good sourcing - if possible primary evidence - to come to a different conclusion from Richardson.

There is some discussion of her father's marriages and children on his profile.

posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
Boyer's book, citing the 1984 article referred to in my previous comment says, p.71, that "The will of Jane (Seyliard) Cotton's mother provides conclusive evidence, through its careful list of heirs, that Jane had only one daughter, Jane." This would appear to disprove the suggestion in the book on The Abell Family in America that Jane Seyliard, Richard Cotton's second wife, was Frances’s mother. It seems that what is set out in The Abell Family in America has been proved wrong by more recent research.

I will, though, add a research note to this profile.

posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley

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