Unknown
ferch Ieuan
Born about in Llantrisant, Meisgyn, Glamorgan, Wales
Ancestors 
Daughter of Ieuan ap Gruffudd
and Unknown ferch Hywel
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of
Llewelyn ap Ieuan
— married
1375 in Radur, Meisgyn, Glamorgan, Wales
Descendants 
Mother of
Morgan ap Llywelyn and Gwenllian (ferch Lynn) ferch Llewelyn
Died [date unknown]
[location unknown]
Profile last modified
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The Birth and Marriage Dates are a rough estimate. See the text for details.
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Biography
This daughter of Ieuan ap Gruffudd ap Iorwerth ap Ieuan ap Idnerth ab Ifor ap Ithel Gam ap Drymbenog (Gruffudd was living in 1358)[1] married Llewelyn ap Ieuan of Radur (living 1381).[2] Her mother was a daughter of Hywel ap Philip Hir.[3]
- See her husband's profile - Llewelyn ap Ieuan (abt.1340-1386) - for a list of their children.
Research Notes
Apparently created originally as wife of Llywelyn Ap Ieuan (Ap Ieuan-2, now ap Ieuan-22, abt.1340-1386), married in 1386. See this change detail. Marriage was probably earlier, considering their children (including Morgan, whose profile has his birth in 1378).
Estimated Dates: Born about 1360, married about 1375 as of 6 October 2023 (previously, her profile showed birth about 1366 and marriage about 1386; a duplicate profile had her birth c1355).
Dates from Bartrum's charts include one for her husband (living in 1381) and one for her grandfather (living in 1358). Flourishing would have been more useful for trying to estimate dates, but "living" dates are better than nothing.
Dates for WikiTree profiles as of 5 October 2023:
- son - Morgan ap Llywelyn (1378-abt.1436)
- daughter - Gwenllian ferch Llewelyn (abt.1386-1463)
- husband - Llewelyn ap Ieuan (abt.1340-1386) - living 1381[2]
- mother - Unknown ferch Hywel (1346-)
Unknown ferch Hywel (apparent duplicate)- daughter of Hywel ap Philip Hir (abt.1300-)
- father - Ieuan ap Gruffudd (abt.1330-)
- grandfather - Gruffydd (Iowerth) ap Iowerth (abt.1310-) - living 1358[1]
- Analysis... assuming WikiTree dates are correct for her family (father born 1330, husband in 1340 & children born 1378, 1386), then she probably married about 1370/1375, putting her birth c1355/1360 (Welsh women of the time would have started a family by about age 15).[4] Born c1360 works better with father born in 1330 and children born in 1378 & 1386. A 1375 marriage also works with Llewelyn's WikiTree dates.
Different Line: Crisli ferch Gawdyn (bef.1345-1368), daughter of Gawdyn ap Llewelyn (abt.1305-abt.1346) & Unknown (ferch Rhys) gwraig Gawdyn ap Llywelyn (abt.1324-bef.1390). See their profiles for more information.
Gwenllian: A duplicate profile had a given name of Gwenllian. The profile was edited in 2015, when born c1355 was added along with the following note:
- This profile is for Llewelyn's wife. Please add to it if you can - especially needed is a source with her given name!
No support for a given name has been found in the intervening years, so "Gwenllian" is not displayed in the name fields.
Detached Profiles: Gwenllian was detached as the mother of Morgan ap Llywelyn (1378) and as wife of his father, Llywelyn ap Ieuan of Radur (living in 1381). The name of Llywelyn's wife, a daughter of Ieuan ap Gruffydd ap Iorwerth (abt.1330-), is not known.[2][1]
The duplicate profile (for Gwenllian) was also detached as daughter of Crisli ferch Gawdyn (bef.1345-1368) - no evidence that Crisli had a daughter named Gwenllian with her husband Ieuan ap Gruffudd Gethin ap Madog[5] - Ieuan ap Gruffudd (abt.1342-abt.1368).
Sources
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 Bartrum Chart: Drymbenog 10
- ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 Bartrum Chart: Iestyn 19
- ↑ Bartrum Chart: Rhys Goch of Ystrad Yw 12
- ↑ Darrell Wolcott, "Generational Gaps and the Welsh Laws" (accessed 26 May 2023).
- ↑ Bartrum Chart: Gwaithfoed 4.
- See also:
- Ancestry Family Trees Publication (Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members),_APID: 1030::0: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=13232476&pid=-32192733
Acknowledgements
- A profile for this person was created on 12 September 2010 through the import of 104-B.ged.
- WikiTree profile Ieuan-17 created through the import of 2010-09-14.ged on Jul 28, 2011 by Bob Carson. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Bob and others.
- WikiTree profile Ieuan-26 created through the import of 2010-09-14.ged on Jul 28, 2011 by Bob Carson. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Bob and others.
- Orphaned profile adopted by Liz Shifflett, 5 October 2023
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Ieuan-46 still looks like a match, but with resolution of mother still needed.
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett