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Pijter Jans (abt. 1570 - 1618)

Pijter (Pieter) Jans aka Van Deursen, van Duersen, van Deursen
Born about in Deursen, Noord-Brabant, Nederlandmap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 15 Jan 1591 in Haarlem, Noord-Holland, Nederlandmap
Descendants descendants
Father of , , , , , , , and
Died at about age 48 in Hollandmap [uncertain]
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Biography

The information about his origins claimed in a 1912 genealogy[1] -- namely that he was a son of William Van Deursen and Elizabeth Gysberts have subsequently been refuted.[2],[3] Therefore, they have been detached as parents from this profile.

"The church records for Deursen in the province of North Brabant begin in 1614; this leaves only the possibility of searching any existing notarial records, but these are usually incomplete and therefore a search is often inconclusive."

Pieter Jans is referred to throughout the records with a variety of spellings/references:

  • van Deursen in Brabant
  • van Doornen
  • van Doersen
  • van Buyl (in 1608; thought to be an error)

Church member and Marriage

Pieter Jans, jongman uit Duersen (Deursen) in Brabant (Deurne?), inwonend bij Goort Roelofs uit Aarle-Beek (Aarle-Rixte of Beek en Donk?) in het Crayenest, werd in 1588 lidmaat van de gereformeerde gemeente.[4]Gehuwd voor de kerk op 15-01-1591 te Haarlem [5]:Hij trouwde op 15~januari 15-01-1591 als vrijgezel met Paulina Vinck, jongedochter uit Roeselare.[6]Translated: Pieter Jans , young man from Duersen in Brabant (Deurne or Deursen ) , residing at Goort Roelofs ( from Aarle - Beek) in the Crayenest was in 1588 member of the Reformed Church. Church marriage on 15-01-1591 at Haarlem [7] He married on 15 January 15-01-1591 as a bachelor with Paulina Vinck, young daughter from Roeselare [8]. From 1591-1608 they baptized eight children.[9]
"Pieter Jans, van Deursen in Brabant, married in Haarlem, intention 15 January 1591, Paulina Vincke, young daughter (in other words single), from or born in Roeselare. Pieter Jans was called young man, from or born in Doersen. [10]

His wife, Paulina's name is given variously as:

  • Vincke
  • Vink
  • Vinkel

He died about 1618 or 1629 in Holland, possibly in Privine.[11]

Children

Pieter Jans "van Deursen" and Paulina Vincke had at least eight children baptized in the Haarlem Dutch reformed church." They are:

  1. Janneken, bpt 15 Dec 1591; wit: Gerrit Jans, Mayken Vincken
  2. Mechelken, bpt 3 Apr 1594; wit: .... Jans (no first name mentioned) and Mayken Vincken
  3. Johannes, bpt 21 Jan 1596; wit: Frans Huberts, Ammerentia Sarteels
  4. Abraham, bpt 8 Jul 1598, wit: Jan Jans and Stynken Jans
  5. Abraham, bpt 3 SEp 1599; wit: Jan Jans and Styntjen Jans
  6. Isaac, bpt 1 Jan 1602; wit: the parents
  7. Ideken, bpt 17 Mar 1605; wit: the parents
  8. Sara, bpt 7 May 1608, no witnesses mentioned

Sources

  1. ↑ Albert Harrison Van Deursen, The Van Deurssen Family, Frank Allaben Genealogical Co., 1912.
  2. ↑ William J. Hoffman, "An Armory of American Families of Dutch Descent", NYGBR, 65(1934):62-65
  3. ↑ K.R. Brown, "Van Deursen Family," in NYGBR, vol. 109, No. 4, Oct 1978, pp 215-216
  4. ↑ \zn\kr 98, p.~86, 7~oktober 07-10-1588.
  5. ↑ N.D.G.bron: DTB 46 fol 36 brontekst: Grote Kerk
  6. ↑ * Source: genealogie van Deursen
  7. ↑ NDGbron : DTB 46 fol 36 source : Great Church
  8. ↑ "Netherlands, Noord-Holland Province, Church Records, 1523-1948," images, FamilySearch (scan Marriage 15 January 1590 Haarlem: 15 January 2017 right page, 3th entry), Nederlands Hervormde > Haarlem > image 40 of 604; Nederlands Rijksarchiefdienst, Den Haag (Netherlands National Archives, The Hague).
    H Getrout : Pijter Jans, van Doersen, jongesel, met Paulina Vincke, jongedr van Roeselaar
  9. ↑ Source: van Deursen genealogie
  10. ↑ K.R. Brown, "Van Deursen Family," in NYGBR, vol. 109, No. 4, Oct 1979, pp 215-216
  11. ↑ from VanDeursen-6 [what is this source?]




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Norman Miller
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1572076:61157?tid=11422566&pid=382164602169&hid=1018588706835 This history has Van Deusen back to 1325 on pages 13 and 14. I am somewhat new so I will let others decide if this is legitimate enough.
posted by Norman Miller
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Norman, for those of us without an Ancestry.com subscription, could you please provide a fuller citation of what's behind that link? Many thanks.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Timmerman-225 Bea (Timmerman) Wijma
His LNAB is just the Patronymic Jans , he was indeed from Duersen (Deursen or Deurne) but this was just the place where he was from, not his LNAB . His wife, was from or was born at Roeselare (see Bio added a link to the place) a place in West Vlaanderen , Belgium. Someone translated this place into Rensselaer ? , so that's not correct/ So Paulina Vincke was from Roeselare, (now) West-Vlaanderen, Belgium and he was from Deursen (Duersen, (or Deurne) ) Noord brabant Netherlands.
posted by Bea (Timmerman) Wijma
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Research published in 1978 confirmed a) he was father of immigrant Abraham Pieterszen (van Deursen), and b) that he married 15 January 1591 in Haarlem, Paulina Vincke of Rensselaer, and c) that he was originally from Deursen, Brabant.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Mix-216 Steven Mix
Furthermore, neither Pieter Jans or Pieter Lucasz would be patronymically son of a Willem, so something is off.
posted by Steven Mix
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
VanDeursen-23 and Van Deursen-27 appear to represent the same person because: Same vitals; same parents; merge into Van_Deursen-27 because the naming protocol requires a space between Van and Deursen (how it was worded during his life time).
posted by Jillaine Smith
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Van Deursen-27 and Van Deursen-68 appear to represent the same person because: Same vitals; merge into -27, please. Thank you.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
VanDeursen-13 and Van Deursen-27 appear to represent the same person because: Same vitals; same family members. Merge into Van_Deursen-27 because the naming convention here is to use the two-word Van Deursen. That is the way it was spelled during the time of his life. Thank you!
posted by Jillaine Smith
Mix-216 Steven Mix
Van Deusen-34 and Van Deursen-27 appear to represent the same person because: This is the oldest paternal ancestor in this chain in need of a merge. No tree conflicts. I saved the alternate data to the bio. Thanks!
posted by Steven Mix
Noland-165 Liz (Noland) Shifflett
VanDeursen-6 and Van Deursen-27 appear to represent the same person because: they were in an unmerged match & the New Netherland Settlers Approval System (http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:New_Netherland_Settlers_-_Approval_System) now has them marked "Green" (NNS Category) and "Orange" (Merge Pending), indicating that the two are ready to be merged. Please note that VanDeursen-6 has wife Maria (http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wessenaer-1) with just two children: Abraham (http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/VanDeursen-5) & Sara (http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/VanDeursen-7). Van Deursen-27 shows wife as Pauline (http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Vincke-5), but includes Abraham and Sara as children, so the mother of these two are in conflict. Looking at the children's profiles, I believe it likely that Pauline died between 1605 and 1607 (last of the other children was born 1605).
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Mix-216 Steven Mix
Robert, in the WikiTree world, your call for verification or source on Maria is not going to happen in any timely manner. But what is going to happen soon is that Abraham and his common descendants are going to start getting disconnected from parents, as those merges get pushed through. Sorry, but it cannot be adequately policed.

The goal needs to be maximum damage control. So blocking Pieter's merge here, for what amounts to a nitpicky reason, on a very deep ancestor, is going to do more harm than good to the tree.

Pieter is clearly a match of the same person. He has no tree conflicts which would cause any disconnects, or bad merges of his parents. Likewise, all agree that his son is Abraham, who married Tryntje Melchiors.

The dispute is about Abraham's mother only. A later fix.

  • * * * *

Well, maybe not so bad. The Abraham and Sarah children in the matching profiles have no descendants to interfere with later merges. So I am just going to ignore this branch as unresolved.

posted by Steven Mix
Robert Haack
VanDeursen-6 and Van Deursen-27 are not ready to be merged because: With Christening of Abraham Pietersen VanDeusen on 11 Nov 1607 son of Pieter and Pauline (Vincke) this makes Maria Jans Van Deursen Wessanaer an unlikely mother is married in 1606. Peter Jans and Pauline were married 15 Jan 1591. Verification or source on Maria m. 1606 is needed.
posted by Robert Haack

Rejected matches › Pieter Jans (1753-) › Douwe Jansz (abt.1580-abt.1653)

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