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It may be possible to confirm family relationships with James by comparing test results with other carriers of his Y-chromosome or his mother's mitochondrial DNA.
However, there are no known yDNA or mtDNA test-takers in his direct paternal or maternal line.
It is likely that these autosomal DNA test-takers will share some percentage of DNA with James:
Losee-106 and Losee-131 appear to represent the same person because: Birth, death years and locations are very similar, but -106 has more detail. No conflict
Parents do not conflict (only -131 lists father with good reference from grandfather's will)
Children do not match, but familysearch
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GH7N-DZ9
lists 6 children (W means noted in will source of -106)
David W
Richard -131
Phebe -106 W
Samuel -106 W - my line
James -106 W
Nancy - 106 W "Nantsy"
-- Daniel not on familysearch or listed in Will
Profile 106 lists 6 children with 2 additional sons: Simon (W) and Daniel, both which are noted as dying in 1803, Daniel abt. age 18
Son Richard remains an issue, b. 1769 in Hempstead, NY. It is fairly close to Oyster Bay NY on Long Island where James was born per profile 106. Two of the children on profile -106 are listed as born in Dutchess county, which is about 100 miles north of Long Island, and where James died and will was processed. Could James have moved his family from Long Island to Dutchess County between 1769 and 1774 when Phebe was born?
The only record that I have found is the 1790 census which places James in Washington, Dutchess, NY with 3 males under 16, 3 males over 16 and 3 females. That matches up fairly well with the probable list including Richard:
Richard @ 21
Simon @ 20
-- plus father - 3 males over 16
Samuel @ 12
James @ 10
Daniel @ 4
= 3 males under 16
Two daughters plus wife - 3 females.
But then the David from the Will is not accounted for... unless he had already moved out of the family home.. If b. 1765, he would be 25 years old, and very possibly married..
If you concur, I will be happy to assist in editing the Biography and notes with the above.
David from his father's 1802 will may not conflict with the 1790 census because in 1802 David was not yet 21 years old; the will names him as an executor "when he shall arrive at lawful age",opening the possibility he was born after 1790.
James' only known wife was born about 1744 and died 1836. If David was born in 1790 at the earliest (to miss the census) then his mother was maybe 45 or 46 years old, which could be. So I'd give him a date of birth as "after 1790" if we merge the profiles. What do you think?
I reviewed James' b. 1740 will written in 1802, and you may be right about David's age. There is a passage where he appoints executors in the later section stating ".. sons Simon Losee Samuel Losee James Losee David Losee when he shall arrive at the lawful age..." which supports your theory. The order of birth and names of sons matches with your profile -106.
So I'm fine with you assigning David's birth "after 1790"
Regarding his wife Ann Pettit, his will clearly states "wife Nantsy", but her gravestone is inscribed "NANCY wife of James Losee.." Due to the facts:
1) There are no other marriage records for James
2) She lived 30 years after James died
3) One of their daughters is named Nancy, and there is no "Anne"
It appears likely that her name or nickname could have been Nancy, although her father's will lists daughters including an Anne and no Nancy. Perhaps Anne was a shortened (single syllable) version of Nancy. Ancestry link to her probable father Samuel Pettit's will: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/8800/images/005517111_00231?pId=613906
Then we have the mysterious Richard who is listed in familysearch and Losee-131, but not Samuel's will. The two sources on familysearch are findagrave and an 1850 census, neither of which prove his parentage.
In all cases, I'll gladly accept your best judgement.
I appreciate the review, and have no issue w the merge.
My personal line comes through James, and w solid documentation back to his great-great-grandparents, de Zeeuw /Loyse/Losee/Losey -- an early New Amsterdam family. James' grandmother Margrietje Laurens Koeck with New Amsterdam lineage from even earlier.
Following James, his son Richard is our weak link, of little we have found. He is said to be father of Stephen Losee, Long Island farmer born 1795. Steven is my grandfather's great grandfather.
Parents do not conflict (only -131 lists father with good reference from grandfather's will) Children do not match, but familysearch https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GH7N-DZ9 lists 6 children (W means noted in will source of -106) David W Richard -131 Phebe -106 W Samuel -106 W - my line James -106 W Nancy - 106 W "Nantsy" -- Daniel not on familysearch or listed in Will Profile 106 lists 6 children with 2 additional sons: Simon (W) and Daniel, both which are noted as dying in 1803, Daniel abt. age 18
Son Richard remains an issue, b. 1769 in Hempstead, NY. It is fairly close to Oyster Bay NY on Long Island where James was born per profile 106. Two of the children on profile -106 are listed as born in Dutchess county, which is about 100 miles north of Long Island, and where James died and will was processed. Could James have moved his family from Long Island to Dutchess County between 1769 and 1774 when Phebe was born? The only record that I have found is the 1790 census which places James in Washington, Dutchess, NY with 3 males under 16, 3 males over 16 and 3 females. That matches up fairly well with the probable list including Richard: Richard @ 21 Simon @ 20 -- plus father - 3 males over 16 Samuel @ 12 James @ 10 Daniel @ 4 = 3 males under 16 Two daughters plus wife - 3 females. But then the David from the Will is not accounted for... unless he had already moved out of the family home.. If b. 1765, he would be 25 years old, and very possibly married..
If you concur, I will be happy to assist in editing the Biography and notes with the above.
David from his father's 1802 will may not conflict with the 1790 census because in 1802 David was not yet 21 years old; the will names him as an executor "when he shall arrive at lawful age",opening the possibility he was born after 1790.
James' only known wife was born about 1744 and died 1836. If David was born in 1790 at the earliest (to miss the census) then his mother was maybe 45 or 46 years old, which could be. So I'd give him a date of birth as "after 1790" if we merge the profiles. What do you think?
edited by Douglas German
So I'm fine with you assigning David's birth "after 1790"
Regarding his wife Ann Pettit, his will clearly states "wife Nantsy", but her gravestone is inscribed "NANCY wife of James Losee.." Due to the facts: 1) There are no other marriage records for James 2) She lived 30 years after James died 3) One of their daughters is named Nancy, and there is no "Anne" It appears likely that her name or nickname could have been Nancy, although her father's will lists daughters including an Anne and no Nancy. Perhaps Anne was a shortened (single syllable) version of Nancy. Ancestry link to her probable father Samuel Pettit's will: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/8800/images/005517111_00231?pId=613906
Then we have the mysterious Richard who is listed in familysearch and Losee-131, but not Samuel's will. The two sources on familysearch are findagrave and an 1850 census, neither of which prove his parentage.
In all cases, I'll gladly accept your best judgement.
My personal line comes through James, and w solid documentation back to his great-great-grandparents, de Zeeuw /Loyse/Losee/Losey -- an early New Amsterdam family. James' grandmother Margrietje Laurens Koeck with New Amsterdam lineage from even earlier.
Following James, his son Richard is our weak link, of little we have found. He is said to be father of Stephen Losee, Long Island farmer born 1795. Steven is my grandfather's great grandfather.