Pierre Noe (1636 - 1709)

Born 1636 in Rongy, Spanish Netherlands

Husband of Margaret Clark (Dumont) Noe — married 24 Jul 1660 in Mannheim, Heiliges Römisches Reich

Descendants

Died Dec 1709 at about age 73 in Elizabeth, Essex, New Jersey Colony

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Biography

Pierre Noe was a Huguenot emigrant (1540-1790).

Pierre Noe was born in Rongy in what was then the Spanish Netherlands (and is now Rongy, Hainaut, Belgium, near Tournai) in about 1636. He is called a native of Rongi in the Netherlands on his marriage record. ^[1] (For information on Rongy, see Wikipedia at [11]). No primary evidence has yet been identified as to the identity of his parents, but he is shown by a number of secondary sources to have been the son of Pierre Noe (1610-1720) and Sarah Annekka (Jans) Noë (abt.1612-abt.1680). ^[2]

On July 24, 1660, as Pierre Nues, he married Marguerite Dumont in Mannheim, in the Holy Roman Empire. ^[3]

He, Margaret, their baby, and a sister (whose sister is this? Pierre's, Margaret's or the sucking child's?) sailed on the ship, the Brindled Cow, on 16 Apr 1663, with a number of Dutch colonists, ^{[4] [5] [6]} as well as others from the Spanish Netherlands (see Research Notes). The ship arrived in New York between May 11, 1663 and August 17, 1663, when that city was still named "Nieuw Amsterdam," and ruled as a Dutch Colony. ^[7]

He and Margaret must have returned to Mannheim for a time because they baptized their daughter Marie there on July 10, 1670 and their daughter Elisabeth there on July 20, 1673.

05 Dec 1681 Staten Island, Richmond, New York. Peter Nowe plaintiff vrs Gidion Marlett defendant: “whar as the Caues depending Betwixt the Plf and deft hath Bin heard the plf proveth his debt the valeu of 150 gilders the Court ordereth the deft to pay the debt with Cost of sewt If the swin be not MarchantAble But If Aproved of then to be A Prized By two men and the Charges to be devided” (sic) ^[8]

He owned large estates between Elizabeth Town and Woodbridge, across the Hudson River in today's New Jersey, USA. (Both his first and last name have been anglecized to "Peter Noe." The French spelling was most-likely "Neau", possibly "Noue" (though they are not pronounced the same!) or “Noé”.

His grandson, Peter Noe was born in 1725 and had his homestead in the southwesterly section of Linden, New Jersey. It is recorded that John Noe, a son of Peter Noe of Linden married Catherine of Trembley of Linden, a fact that tends to place this particular branch of Noes in Linden. The family name disappeared from Linden records circa 1890. ^[9]

Name

Name: Pierre /Noe/ ^{[10] [11]}

Birth

Birth Date: 1636 (approximately)

Place: Rongy, Spanish Netherlands, previously stated to be Walslant, Poitou. [sic= There is no village in Poitou named "Walslant". There are 2 possibilities: 1) A Huguenot village in Canton Vaud, near Geneva, Switzerland; or 2) A village in Hainaut, Spanish Netherlands, today across the border in French-speaking Belgium.

Event

Event Arrival Date: 1663

Place: New York, New York ^[12]

Research Notes

The 1663 passenger list for de Bonte Koe includes the following names who are stated to be from Picardy, Walslant/Walsland and the Pays de Vaud, many of whom have profiles on Wikitree:

Jerome Bocke [Boquet/Bockee], from Walslant, and Wife and five children 18, 15, 9, 6, 3 yrs (Jerome (Boucquet) Bockee (1619-1709)).

David de Maire, [Demarest] from Picardy, and Wife and four children 18, 12, 6, 1 yr (David (des Marest) de Mareez (1620-1695)).

Pierre Niu, from the Pays de Vaud, [Walsland] and Wife, sucking child and sister (this man).

Jean Mesurole, from Picardy, and Wife and sucking child (Jean Messerole (abt.1630-abt.1695)).

Martin Renare, from Picardy, and Wife and child 20 yrs

Pierre Parmentie,[Parmentier/Palmentier] from Pays de Vaud, [Walslant] and Wife

Joost Houpleine/Houpleyne, [Van Oblenus] from Flanders, and wife and son 18 yrs (Joost De Aubigne (1614-1685)).

Joost Houpleine/Houpleyne, Junior and Wife and sucking child (Joost Van Oblinus (1640-1706)).

Moillart Journay, [Meynard or Meyndert Journee who married Elizabeth Du Mont] from Pays de Vaud [Walslant] ^{[13] [14]}

James Ryker, in his Revised History of Harlem, explains the misidentification of the "Pays de Vaud" in the Dutch Records at Albany as follows:

The northern limits of the Walloon country would have been nearly defined by a line drawn from the city of Liege, on the Meuse, to Calais. On the south it was bounded by Picardy, Champagne and Lorraine, provinces which in the times referred to composed the French frontier. *The term Walloon is derived from the word Gaul, which the Germans, by an etymological substitution of W for the Latin G, changed into Wahl, and in the plural Whalen; the low Dutch making it Waal and Waalen. But we observe that both German and Dutch, in speaking of the Walloons, more commonly used the adjective form, saying the Walsche-that is, the Walsche people. The old Germans applied this term indiscriminately to all the Romanized people along their western and southern borders, not the Gauls only, but the Romans; giving their several countries the name of Walschland, as the Germans designate Italy even to this day; and which term is also traceable in the Swiss canton of Vallais, in the old canton of Berne, north of Lake Leman, or Geneva (embracing the Pays, now canton, of Vaud) , and ( skipping the two provinces of Alsace and Lorraine, early overrun by German tribes) as far to the north as Walloon Brabant. The French themselves used the term Walloon (by them written Wallon, or Ouallon) only with reference to the French- speaking people of Belgic descent, occupying their northern frontiers, within the Walloon country. The term Walsche was so restricted by the Hollanders; and by Walschland, or Walslant, as they wrote it, they meant the Walloon country, and not the more distant Pays de Vaud, as was wrongly held by Mr. Vanderkempt, who should have been better informed, in making his translation of the Dutch records at Albany. Almost any of the old Dutch histories will show the correct usuage, but one will suffice: Van Meteren, Amsterdam, 1652 , fo 1.40 , etc. ^[15]

Sources

1. ↑ "Deutschland, ausgewählte evangelische Kirchenbücher 1500-1971," database, FamilySearch ([1] : 18 March 2023), Pierre Nues, 24 Jul 1660; images digitized and records extracted by Ancestry; citing Marriage, Bezirksamt Mannheim, Kreis Mannheim, Großherzogtum Baden, Deutsches Reich, , German Lutheran Collection, various parishes, Germany.
2. ↑ For example, see [2].
3. ↑ Riker, James “History of Harlem (City of New York), Revised” : New Harlem Publishing Company, New York 1904 p 295 [3]
4. ↑ Riker, James “History of Harlem (City of New York), Revised” : New Harlem Publishing Company, New York 1904 p 105 [4]
5. ↑ Monnette, Orra Eugene “First Settlers of Ye Plantations of Piscataway and Woodbridge, Olde East New Jersey 1664-1714” : Leroy Carman Press, Los Angeles 1930 parts 6-7 p 1581 [5]
6. ↑ McPike, Eugene “Tales of Our Forefathers” : Joel Munsell’s Sons, Albany 1898 p 46 [6]
7. ↑ Hatfield, Edwin Francis “History of Elizabeth New Jersey” : Carlton & Lanahan New York 1868 p 267 [7]
8. ↑ Stillwell, John Edwin “Historical and Genealogical Miscellany - Data Relating to the Settlement and Settlers of New York and New Jersey” : self published, New York 1903 Vol I p 7 [8]
9. ↑ Linden, New Jersey by Lauren Pancurak Yeats, Arcadia Publshing, 2002, pp 15-16 [9]
10. ↑ Source: #S35 Page: Place: New York, New York; Year: 1663; Page Number: . Data: Text: Arrival date: 1663 Arrival place: New York, New York
11. ↑ Source: #S48 Page: Source number: ; Source type: ; Number of Pages: ; Submitter Code: . Data: Text: Birth date: 1629 Birth place:
12. ↑ Source: #S35 Page: Place: New York, New York; Year: 1663; Page Number: . Data: Text: Arrival date: 1663 Arrival place: New York, New York
13. ↑ Website of the Van Voorhees Association at [10].
14. ↑ Wikitree for Bontekoe at: (Category:Bontekoe_(Spotted-cow)%2C_sailed_Apr_1663
15. ↑ Riker. p. 27.

• Pierre Neau article on Tripod.com Unfortunately, this online genealogy does not give its Sources.

• FamilySearch : Elmer Leonard Hauser Genealogy, William Howard Hauser Genealogy

• Source: S35 Author: Gale Research Title: Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Publication: Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc, 2010. Original data - Filby, P. William, ed. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Farmington Hills, MI, USA: Gale Research, 2010.Original data: Filby, P. William, ed. Passenger; Repository: #R2

• Source: S48 Author: Yates Publishing Title: U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 Publication: Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.Original data - This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was derived; Repository: #R2

Acknowledgments

• Noe-265 was created by David Higgs through the import of Brown-12 Generations_2014-07-23.ged on Jul 23, 2014