James Webb (abt. 1760 - abt. 1825)

My Search for James Webb of 18th Century Wilkes County, North Carolina: Finding Facts, Dispelling Rumors, Questions Unanswered Part 4

Some Boone believers will say, it’s not John Webb that connects James to Daniel Boone, it is Mary (Boone) Webb, John’s wife. They say we must study any potential DNA link to Mary’s father, George Boone III. So I submitted my y-DNA test results to the Daniel Boone Society’s Boone DNA Project for comparisons. According to the Boone DNA project manager, my y-DNA does not match any of the 81 Boone family members currently listed in that project. They placed in my y-DNA in a list they call Ungrouped Surnames. Anyway, let's take a look at a comparison of my Webb DNA Project James Webb (Letcher) group results and a member of the Boone DNA project who is a direct-line descendent of George III. To my surprise, George Boone III and James Webb (Letcher Co) descendants share the same Haplogroup! R-M269. In fact, I have a closer relationship to the Boones than John Webb. However, there are many differences in the markers between myself and the George Boone III descendent (DYS393, DYS390, DYS388, DYS439, DYS 439ii, DSY458, DYS459, DYS448, DYS449, YCA-11, and DYS456). These changes in DNA structure, and the reluctance of the Boone DNA Project to include me in one of their groups is enough to convince me that there is no direct 18th century family connections between James Webb and George III Boone. We are probably distantly related, but George-III is not my direct-line descendent.

DNA Comparison 3: James Webb and George Boone III descendent DNA comparisons

James Webb (Letcher Co): Haplogroup R-M269 DYS393 (14): DYS390 (24): DYS19 (14): DYS391 (11): DYS385 (11-14): DYS426 (12): DYS388 (12): DYS439 (13): DYS389i (13): DYS392 (13): DYS389ii (29): DYS458 (16): DYS459 (9-10): DYS455 (11): DYS454 (11): DYS447 (25): DYS437 (15): DYS448 (19): DYS449 (28): DYS464 (14-15-17-17): DYS460 (11): YGATAH4 (11): YCAII (20-23): DYS456 (14): DYS607 (15): DYS576 (17): DYS570 (17): CDY (36-38): DYS442 (12): DYS438 (10)

George Boone III (b.1666 d.1744): Haplogroup R-M269 DYS393 (13): DYS390 (25): DYS19 (14): DYS391 (10): DYS385 (11-14): DYS426 (12): DYS388 (12): DYS439 (11): DYS389i (13): DYS392 (13): DYS389ii (28): DYS458 (18): DYS459 (9-9): DYS455 (11): DYS454 (11): DYS447 (25): DYS437 (15): DYS448 (19): DYS449 (31): DYS464 (15-15-17-17): DYS460 (11): YGATAH4 (11): YCAII (19-23): DYS456 (16): DYS607 (15): DYS576 (18): DYS570 (17): CDY (35-37): DYS442 (12): DYS438 (12)

The result of this all this data convinces me that James Webb of Wilkes Co, North Carolina is not related to the Boones or Webbs of Pennsylvania. So, who is he related to? What does his ancestry really look like? These unanswered questions continue to frustrate me:

1. Where and when was James Webb of Wilkes Co, NC born?

2. Who were his parents? Where and when were they born?

3. Where did James live prior to his first Wilkes Co, NC land purchases in 1779?

4. Did James move to Kentucky after 1810? If not, where would he have gone?

5. When did James die? Was it 1825? Was it 1833? Was it some other year?

6. Where is he buried?

So far, I have not found the documentation I need to answers these very important questions. Not yet anyway. But, they must be answered before I can really know who this James Webb, who between 1779 and 1810, lived along Harris(es) Creek, off the Middle Fork of the Roaring River, Wilkes Co, North Carolina, was. I will continue to search for them and it will cause me to take up research up a level. I think have exhausted the easier on-line references, and I think it’s time to take some road trips. I have some theories I am looking at but I will keep those to myself unless I find real connections. Like I said, I am trying to avoid stories, even though Ancestry will label this as one. I am always looking for other inputs. If anyone has documentation that could help me, I would love to see it. Thanks.

My Search for James Webb of 18th Century Wilkes County, North Carolina: Finding Facts, Dispelling Rumors, Questions Unanswered Part 3

Let’s address the elephant in the room. Is James Webb of Wilkes Co, NC the son or even the grandson, of John Webb and Mary (Boone) Webb? I was pretty convinced this was true when I started my Webb ancestral journey. I read a lot of stories, even by my own Webb family ancestors who said this was true. I, like many other Webbs, loved the ideal of being related to the legendary Daniel Boone. Who wouldn’t? The something happened to change my mind: just 3 letters actually. Those letters were DNA. I took the Ancestry autosomal DNA test. I found a lot of relatives. I have seen their trees. But I soon found out that autosomal DNA, while it does connect family, it does not connect direct-line family ancestry. I think most family researchers are happy with the knowledge that autosomal DNA provides, but I wanted more. I wanted actual proof that James Webb was Daniel Boone’s cousin. So I took the Family Tree y-DNA-37 test. I must admit up front, that I am not an expert in human genetics, and my knowledge of DNA, is limited. I do understand Haplogroups, and I can look up the origins of each. I know that each human’s unique DNA comes from both their father (50%) and their mother (50%). I known that y-DNA traces direct paternal lines (Webb to Webb to Webb) and mtDNA traces maternal lines (Webb to Wagner to Klipstine). I know the more DNA markers uncovered means a more complete picture of someone’s y-DNA makeup.

After taking the test I submitted the results to the Webb Surname DNA Project. Webb men, cousins if you will, whose family trees all began with James. The comparison below illustrates the y-DNA results from 4 Webb males associated with James Webb of Letcher Co, including myself we are a perfect match. When 4 y-DNA test results match perfectly and each member claims, through their family history, that they are descendants of James Webb of Wilkes Co, NC, then it is a good chance James is a direct-line ancestor to all. While I feel pretty confident with these results, more genealogy is required. More male Webb y-DNA tests would help too. Note: I also have this data in a spreadsheet, but I am so far unable to transfer that format into this WikiTree comment.

So the data is listed in a document format. The markers are identified within parentheses ( ). Note: I have only included the first 27 markers. But I think this is enough to prove my point.

James Webb (Letcher Co):

Descendent's listed in Project. I am leaving out the actual kit numbers. If you are curious about them you can go the project's website and look for them yourself. James Descendent 1, James Descendent 2, James Descendent 3, James Descendent 4: Haplogroup: R-M269: Shared Markers: DYS393 (14): DYS390 (24): DYS19 (14): DYS391 (11): DYS385 (11-14): DYS426 (12): DYS388 (12): DYS439 (13): DYS389i (13): DYS392 (13): DYS389ii (29): DYS458 (16): DYS459 (9-10): DYS455 (11): DYS454 (11): DYS447 (25): DYS437 (15): DYS448 (19): DYS449 (28): DYS464 (14-15-17-17): DYS460 (11): YGATAH4 (11): YCAII (20-23): DYS456 (14): DYS607 (15): DYS576 (17): DYS570 (17).

Then I compared DNA samples from the John Webb (1694 PA) Group. This is the John Webb who married Mary Boone and was an uncle to Daniel Boone. What is most obvious of the 4 John Webb's descendants listed is that they are in a different Haplogroup from James Webb’s descendants. The James Webb Haplogroup is R-M269 while the John Webb Haplogroup is I-M223. I read once that Haplogroups can be described as biological surnames. These groups can be thousands of years old and the original R-M269, and original I-M223 males have probably been around for centuries, if not millenniums before the Webb surname was ever created. So, just because you might share the same surname, you don’t necessarily share the same biology. I think this is what we have here.

John Webb (Pennsylvania):

4 descendent's listed in Project. Again I am leaving out kit numbers. John Descendent 1, John Descendent 2, John Descendent 3. John Descendent 4: Haplogroup: I-M223: Shared Markers: DYS393 (13): DYS390 (23): DYS19 (15): DYS391 (9): DYS385 (15-15): DYS426 (11): DYS388 (13): DYS439 (11): DYS389i (14): DYS392 (12): DYS389ii (31): DYS458 (15): DYS459 (8-10): DYS455 (11): DYS454 (11): DYS447 (26): DYS437 (16): DYS448 (20): DYS449 (30): DYS464 (14-14-14-15): DYS460 (10): YGATAH4 (10): YCAII (19-21): DYS456 (14): DYS607 (15): DYS576 (16): DYS570 (17).

My Search for James Webb of 18th Century Wilkes County, North Carolina: Finding Facts, Dispelling Rumors, Questions Unanswered Part 2.

Stories and myths have I uncovered about James Webb that I can either disprove or question due to lack of facts. I’ll reflect on just a few. Keep in mind I consider myself an amateur genealogist, and I don’t put a lot of emphasis on researching anyone I don’t consider to be family. If anyone who reads this can prove anything I am listing below, please let me know.

1. James Webb was married to Elizabeth Jane Nelson. While Elizabeth appears in most James Webb trees as his wife, there is actually no documented evidence that this is true. I can find no church records, no marriage agreement, no paternal approval notification, no county or state filed licenses. I found over 200 Elizabeth Jane Nelsons, or Elizabeth Jane Webbs, posting on Ancestry, but the dates of these documents (wills, marriage records, census data, death or burial records) do not match up with either the time or location of James Webb. To complicate matters, Elizabeth appears in many family trees as the wife of James Crittenden Webb, of Burkes Co, NC, again with no documented evidence that I am aware of.

2. James Webb and James Crittenden Webb are the same man. Not true! I believe the majority of serious researchers know this, yet as recorded in many, many family trees, they appear to be merged as one. Both claim Elizabeth Webb (nee Nelson) as mentioned above. Both list John and Mary (Boone) Webb as their parents. Though James C does show up in trees that identify his parents as William Warren Webb and Mary Jane Crittenden. To me this makes more sense. James C lived and died in Burke Co, NC. He is reported to have been born in Spotsylvania Co, Virginia in 1737 and died in 1805. He is reported to have been buried in the Webb Cemetery in Morgan, NC. I don’t have enough knowledge of James C to confirm this information, I’ll leave that up to his descendants. Never less, he doesn’t seem to have much in common with James of Wilkes CO, except for a name.

3. James Webb is a Revolutionary War veteran. I can’t believe he isn’t, but finding evidence is proven to be difficult. According to the Company Rosters of the Wilkes Co Regiment, led by Benjamin Cleveland, he is not listed, though many of his neighbors are. Was he a Tory? Unlikely, as the citizens of Wilkes County were very pro- independent. It is very possible that James served somewhere else? I think this is more probable. Since I have yet to uncover and documented evidence on James before his first NC land purchase in 1779, he could have come from anywhere. There is ample evidence that a James Webb was a Private in the 3rd Virginia Regiment and he spent that entire brutal winter at Valley Forge (Jan-Jun 1778). But why would my James fight for Virginia? Did he live there at the time? Is this a different James Webb? In 1958 a Son’s of the American Revolution (SAR) application was submitted by Dr Wiley James Adams. The family tree in his application is in line with mine, listing Benjamin and Jane (Adams) Webb as his Great-grandparents. Even his narrative seems plausible: that James Webb was a native of London, England, he came to America when he was 14 and joined the continental army, serving with the Virginia Infantry for the duration of the war. According to Dr Adams, he was severely wounded at the Battle of Yorktown. Is this true? I haven’t been able to prove it yet since most casualties involving privates are not recorded as far as I know. In a Dec 1,1955 article in The Mountain Eagle newspaper titled “Mr. and Mrs. John S Webb, Old Timers, Write From Louisville” John, who was the Great- great grandson of James Webb, states that James was with Washington at Valley Forge. This keeps open the possibility that James Webb of Wilkes Co is the same James Webb, Private of the 3rd VA Regiment, found on the Valley Forge Roster, but I still need more solid evidence this is my James. There were many James Webbs who fought for independence during the American Revolution. I found a second James Webb at Valley Forge and he was attached to the 11th Pennsylvania. One James Webb filed for a pension in North Carolina, claiming to be a member of Dodds Regiment. Other more far fetched stories suggest James was Washington’s Aide-de-camp, was wounded at the Battle of Monmouth, left for dead, survived and deserted for striking an officer. Of course, Washington’s real Aide- de-camp was Samuel Blachley Webb, not James Webb, and a man of means from Connecticut. Samuel could read and write, James could not. I am not sure how anyone could make that connection.

4. James Webb was an Elder at the Oven Fork Old Regular Baptist Church and is buried nearby. I believe it was James Webb Jr who was the Elder. He, his wife Elizabeth Pennington and her parents, were all founding members of this church. The story of a burial is unproven. Somewhere between 1820 and 1830 James Jr, Elizabeth, their children and his in-laws moved to Lawrence Co, Ky and establish a community named Webbville. They are buried there. James Sr was probably a founding member of the Indian Bottom Old Regular Church near Blackey, KY as was Benjamin Webb. This church still exists today.

5. Did James Webb actually move to Kentucky? Signs seem to suggest he did. Many of his Wilkes Co, NC neighbors made the trek, including the Adams, Caudill's and Craft's. His daughters married into the Adams and Caudill families. His son, Benjamin was well regarded in what is now Letcher Co, Ky. A James Webb appears in early Indian Bottom Old Regular Baptist Church records. So, if he did move the Kentucky, I still need to determine exactly when and how. I cannot find him in either Kentucky or North Carolina in the 1810 US census records. I don't believe he is buried in the Webb Cemetery, though some researcher place him there as a marker. Most likely his is buried in some now unmarked grave, on or near whatever land he spent the remainder of his life.

My Search for James Webb of 18th Century Wilkes County, North Carolina: Finding Facts, Dispelling Rumors, Questions Unanswered Part 1.

Since I first started researching my family history I relied on Ancestry.com as my “primary source” of family genealogy. Now Ancestry is a great tool. I have been able to obtain a lot of valuable information on my family. I also took their autosomal DNA test and found over 100 family members with family trees that share an ancestor or two. But it does have its drawbacks. It allows you to easily borrow, or cut and paste, the information presented in these other trees or submitted stories. The problem as I see with constructing of one’s own tree is the over-reliance of someone else’s research, even if that research may prove to be inaccurate. If one person makes an error in their family tree, a dozen others copy it and use that same error constructing their trees. I fell into this trap……..more than once

In this biography I will attempt to avoid any other biographies, stories, or trees that are not connected with factual data. Some researchers claim that “common sense” is an important factor in approaching genealogy. Applying common sense helps, but without proven facts to support it, common sense is meaningless. If I cannot prove a date, a statement, a will, a church record, or a story, I try not to include it. This biography is more of an attempt to question or even discount stories. I.E., it might be boring to some readers. My hope is to refresh my understanding on how I want to research, and to reset my genealogical approach. Don’t get me wrong, I will include stories, but only to demonstrate the confusion they have caused in research. I will include dates (vital statistics), only in the context of establishing a time period. Most of these dates came from other trees, and many cannot be proven.

My family tree is: Father, Harold Webb (1928-1977), Grandfather Annon Webb (1900-1988), Great-Grandfather Shady (Shadrich) Webb (1872-1948), 2nd Great-Grandfather Archaelous Craft (1850-1894), 3rd Great-Grandfather Jason L Webb (1820-1903), 4th Great-Grandfather Benjamin Webb (1785-1869), 5th Great-Grandfather and the subject of this study, James Webb (approx 1752-1825).

James Webb lived in Wilkes County, North Carolina between at least 1778 and 1809. He appears in many, many family trees. You would almost think he was legendary, but he wasn’t, he was a simple man who farmed his own land and fathered 5 (maybe 6) children. After 30+ years he most likely followed some of these children to Southeastern Kentucky (specifically into what is now Letcher County). He died sometime after 1820. His grave site is unknown. But, why call him legendary? Because most family trees, and many stories from my own Webb family, say so. What they say mostly is that James Webb of Wilkes, Co, NC is a 1st or 2nd cousin to a real legend: Daniel Boone. I fell in line with this thinking for many years. It took much research, and a few tests, to convince me that the Boone connection is not true. I’ll explain in a bit.

What do I know about James Webb of Wilkes Co, NC? This is the verifiable documentation that I have uncovered that identifies him.

24 Sep 1779: in 1778, James Webb deeded 100 acres of land on Harris(es) Creek, E side of Harris(es) Mountain, Roaring River, Wilkes Co, NC. (Wilkes Co., N.C. Deeds, Book A-1, pg 74)

24 Sep 1779: In 1778, James Webb deeded 140 acres of land located on Harris(es) Creek, waters Roaring River. (Wilkes Co., N.C. Deeds, Book A-1, pg 98)

25 Mar 1780: Emanuel Rose deeded 440 ac. Middle Fork Roaring River…line between Widow Alexander & Rose…Larkland Cleveland’s line…Benjamin Morgan’s corner…James Webb’s line. (Wilkes Co., N.C. Deeds, Book A-1, pg 515)

1782: Wilkes Co Tax Lists identifies James Webb, of Capt Morgan’s District, as owning 100 acres of land, 2 horses/mules, and 1 cow. (1782 Wilkes County Tax List)

1784: Wilkes Co Tax lists identifies James Webb, of Capt Morgan’s District, as owning 100 acres of land (1784 Wilkes County Tax List)

1784-1787: North Carolina State Census lists James Webb of Wilkes Co and shows a census count of 8: himself, 4 males under 21 or over 60, and 3 females of all ages. This count suggests that James may had four sons. Two sons are well documented: Benjamin and James Jr. The 3rd son could be William. The 4th son is unknown (Samuel?), or it could be an unknown elder family member. His top/bottom neighbors were Joel Stamper Sr and Stephen Caudill. (The State Census of North Carolina, 1784-1787, transcribed)

8 Feb 1789: James Webb served as witness to the sale of 290 Acres of land on both side Middle Fork, Roaring River between Emanuel Rose and Edmond Boaz for 166 pounds. (Wilkes Co., N.C. Deeds, Book B-1, pg 234)

10 Feb 1789: Emanuel Rose sells 150 ac of land on both side of Middle Fork Roaring River for 50 pounds to James Webb (Wilkes Co., N.C. Deeds, Book B-1, pg 235)

1790: 1st US National Census lists James Webb of Wilkes Co NC and shows a census count as 6: himself, 3 males and 2 females. This suggest that the 3 males are sons, Benjamin, James Jr and perhaps William, and the 2 females are probably daughters, Mary and Sarah. His wife appears to have died before 1790. What happened to the 4th male? Did a son die? Did a son leave? Was this that elderly family resident? Or was the State Census wrong? His top/bottom neighbors are Edmond Boaz and Charity Hausly(?). (1790 United States Census for Wilkes Co, North Carolina)

5 Jan 1793: James Webb sold 140 acres of land on Harris(es) Creek, Roaring River, near the road, to Stephen Caudill for 100 pounds (Wilkes Co., N.C. Deeds, Book D, pg 101)

26 Jan 1795: Edmond Boaz sold 290 acres of land on both sides of the Middle Fork, Roaring River to Spencer Adams for 200 pounds. Said land sits on a line between Edmond Boaz, James Webb, and Wm Hamons.(Wilkes Co., N.C. Deeds, Book D, pg 230)

15 Oct 1797: Spencer Adams sold 290 acres of land on both sides of the Middle Fork, Roaring River to Joseph Woolfolk for 200 pounds. Said land sits on a line between Edmond Boaz, James Webb, and William Hammons.(Wilkes Co., N.C. Deeds, Book D, pg 305)

1800: US National Census lists James Webb of Wilkes Co and shows a census count of 5: himself, 3 males and 1 female over 45. Again the males were probably his sons, Benjamin, James II and William. His 2 daughters had married by this time. The lone female is over 45. Could this be James’ wife who was somehow left off the1790 Census? Maybe a new wife? Perhaps a female housekeeper or relative? This census is listed alphabetically so his direct neighbors are unknown. (1800 United States Census for Wilkes Co, North Carolina)

28 Jan 1806: James Webb sells 100 acres of land on Harris(es) Creek to Susannah Fugit for 50 pounds. (Wilkes Co, NC Deed Book G-H, pg 269)

17 March 1808: James Webb served as witness to the sale of 100 acres of land on both sides of Harris(es) between Archibald Craft (now of Floyd Co, KY) and Thomas Jones (Wilkes Co, NC Deed Book H, pg 29)

21 May 1808: James Webb served as a witness to the sale of 100 acres of land on one fork of the Roaring River between William Caudill and Joel Stamper. (Wilkes Co, NC Deed Book H, pg 52)

8 Dec 1809: James Webb sold 150 acres of land both sides of the Middle Folk Roaring River to Stephen Caudill for 150 dollars. (Wilkes Co,NC Deed Book H, pg 192). Note: This was the last track of land in Wilkes Co, NC known to be owned by James.

1820: US National Census of Floyd County, Kentucky, lists Matthew Caudill, husband of James’ daughter Sarah Webb Caudill. Census data includes 2 males over 45. Could that second older male be James? Was James Webb living with his daughter at this time? It seems to make sense but it cannot be proven. (1820 United States Census for Floyd Co, Kentucky)

Past 1820: No more verifiable data on James Webb is found.

As anyone who reads my research and cited primary sources, listed in the Biography above will understand this is THE CORRECTION to the family of James and Lettie (Nelson) Webb of what was to become Letcher County KY. Those corrections include this James Webb being the GRANDSON not the SON of John Jr. and Mary (Boone) Webb. Regarding DNA, it is my experience that a child gets DNA not only their father, but their mother as well. And I will repeat the long unanswered question to webbdnaproject, do descendants of the James Webb you anointed as the son of John Jr. and Mary (Boone) Webb also share DNA with the descendants of George Boone, like the descendants of James Webb of Letcher County KY? The descendants of at least 13 James Webbs await the answer.

Please read this about James Webb that is John Webb and Mary Boone's son. http://www.pagenweb.org/~berks/oldberkssite/familyfolder/JamesWebb.html

My dna does not match you or any of the ones listed on your post. It should if this James was related to John Webb and Mary Boone. My cousin did a ydna test and it is I-M223. If you look at https://www.webbdnaproject.org/ you will see all the kit's matching John Webb 1694 PA. My ancestor is Cyrus Webb. Kit 912743. He matches ydna to John Webb that was married to Mary Boone. It might be good if you can find a male Webb from your line to do a ydna test under familytreedna.com. Lets think about this a bit. James Webb, son of John Webb 1694 was born in PA about 1737. How can this James Webb be him if born 1760 in NC. This is the James Webb D 1825 in KY and has ydna R-M269 in the familytree table. So this James Webb is not related to John Webb 1694 who married Mary Boone and his sons.

James Webb [d. 1825 Letcher Co. KY] Group

Kit # 215845 [37]

James Webb [d. Dec 31, 1825 Letcher Co. KY]

Benjamin Webb [b. Dec 28, 1785 Wilkes Co. NC - d. 1867 Letcher Co. KY]

Jason L. Webb [b. March 3, 1820 Letcher Co. KY - d. Dec 23, 1903 Letcher Co. KY]

Archealous C. Webb [b. 1845 Letcher Co. KY - d. June 22, 1894 Letcher Co. KY]

Shadrich Webb [b. May 18,1872 Letcher Co. KY - d. March 2, 1948 Letcher Co. KY]

A N Webb [b. 1900, Letcher Co. KY - d. 1988 St. Petersburg FL]

H K Webb [b. 1929 Middletown OH - d. 1977 Lapeer MI]

Kit # 252495 [67]

William Webb [b. c1780 NC – d. Dec 11, 1833 Montgomery Co. IL]

Harvey Hamilton Webb [b. c1815 KY – d. 1845 Fayette Co. IL]

James William Webb [b. July 6, 1840 Fayette Co. IL – d. Jan 28, 1910 Filmore, Montgomery Co. IL]

Kit # 100124 [67]

James Webb [b. unknown- in Wilkes Co. NC in 1778 - d. Dec 31, 1825 Letcher Co. KY]

Benjamin Webb [b. Jan 1, 1784 NC – d. May 1869 Perry/Letcher Co. KY]

Jason Lewis Webb [b. March 3, 1820 Letcher Co. KY – d. Dec 2, 1903 Letcher Co. KY]

Nehemiah Mark Webb [b. Dec 6, 1865 Sergent, Letcher Co. KY – d. July 30, 1945 Whitesburg, Letcher Co. KY]

Kit # 131811 [67] [mtDNA]

William Webb [b. c1780 NC – d. Dec 11, 1833 Montgomery Co. IL]

Fielding Stokes Webb [b. Dec 5, 1817 Warren/Barren Co. KY – d. Jan 28, 1895 Marion Co. IA]

William Henry Webb [b. Mar 15, 1842 Montgomery Co. IL – d. Jan 3, 1925 Olympia WA]

John Preston Webb [b. Oct 7, 1874 near Pella, Marion Co. IA – d. May 11, 1954 Tucson, Pima AZ]

Kit # 46171 [37]

James Webb [b. c1737 – d. 1825 Letcher Co. KY]

Benjamin Webb [b. c1785 NC – d. c1867 Letcher Co. KY]

Enoch Webb [b. c1811 Floyd Co. KY – d. aft 1883 Letcher Co. KY]

Edward T. Webb [b. 1832 Perry Co. KY – d. 1925]

James J. Webb [b. 1874 Letcher Co. KY – d. 1904]

See this story under family search, this is your James Webb. https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/13611477?p=51445064&returnLabel=Benjamin%20Webb%20(L69Q-4KR)&returnUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.familysearch.org%2Ftree%2Fperson%2Fmemories%2FL69Q-4KR

Webb-26191 and Webb-8529 do not represent the same person because: Same for James as his unknown wife too much incorrect information on the wife not proven and the death date is James Webb of Cumberland, KY

Before you accept this research be aware that there are several things that are incorrect here;

The birth date of James Webb is not 1764 the death date is that of James Webb of Cumberland, NC 31 Dec 1825 The wife Elizabeth Nelson has never been proven in any records Her birth and death dates are made up of no records Did not serve in the Rev War The Webb DNA is not a match. There is no way this James Webb is a grandson of John Webb and Mary Boone that wishful thinking can never be proven in records James Webb was in Surry 1771-1778 and in Wilkes, NC 1779-1809

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NOTES Mary Webb, Rowan Co. NC, 1757, from the book, "Carolina Cradle."

Below are my notes from Wilkes Co. NC deed abstracts, 1787-1814. I only listed locations on creeks or rivers, plus collateral families of interest to me, as well as dates. (The page numbers are from the abstract book, not the deed book.)

John Webb, witness, 22 Dec. 1790, pg. 308

John Webb, Sr., (dec'd), his heirs sell Naked Creek, Aug. 1810, pg. 327 John Webb, Sr., (dec'd), his heir, Francis, sells Naked Creek, 14 Sept. 1810, pg 298

James Webb line, 26 Jan. 1795, pg 165 James Webb line, 1797, pg 172 James Webb line, 26 Dec. 1797, pg 176 James Webb sells Harrises Creek, 29 Jan. 1806, page 252 James Webb witness, May 1808, pg. 286 James Webb, witness, 21 May 1808, pg. 288 James Webb, sells Roaring River, 8 Dec. 1809, pg. 305

Cutbert Webb, witness, 7 Oct. 1790, pg. 184 Cutbirth Webb buys Naked Creek on Francis WEBB's line, 30 Oct. 1794, pg. 298 Cutberth Webb, sells S. side Elk Creek, 7 Jan 1800, pg. 216, Wit. Moses WATERS Cutberth Webb, witness, 10 Oct. 1803, page 251

William Webb sells Little Fork Cub Creek to Wm. LOWE, 15 March 1805, PG. 245 (2) William Webb's line, 1805, pg. 270 William Webb sells Little Cub Creek 21 Oct. 1807, pg. 276

Francis Webb buys N. side Stony Creek from Cutberth, 7 Oct. 1790, pg 184 Francis Webb buys N. side Stony Fork,10 Oct. 1803, pg. 251 Francis Webb's line, 1 Nov. 1806, pg. 265 Francis Webb's corner, 2 March 1807, pg. 277 Francis Webb, the heir of John WEBB, Sr., sells Naked Creek, Aug. 1810, pg. 327 Francis Webb sells Naked Creek online agreed by John WEBB, Jr., and Francis (gained from John WEBB, Sr. (dec), 14 Sept. 1810, pg. 298

John Webb, Jr., (dec), Francis Webb, John Webb, Sr., April 1805, pg. 267 (this is Sr.?) John Webb, Jr., heir of John WEBB, SR., sells Naked Creek, Aug. 1810, pg. 327 John Webb, Jr., had agreed online on Naked Creek property of John WEBB, Sr., 14 Sept. 1810, pg. 298

Hannah Webb, the heir of John WEBB, SR., sells Naked Creek, Aug. 1810, pg. 327

Charity Webb, the heir of John WEBB, SR., sells Naked Creek, Aug. 1810, pg. 327

Ellender Webb, the heir of John WEBB, SR., sells Naked Creek, Aug. 1810, pg. 327

Elizabeth Webb, the heir of John WEBB, SR., sells Naked Creek, Aug. 1810, pg. 327 Elizabeth Webb and husband James BOWMAN buy 4 tracts N. side Yadkin River, 11 Feb. 1811, pg 319

The REAL James Webb of Burke County, North Carolina

Just for the records James Webb never stepped foot in Letcher Ky It was not formed until 1842 from parts of Floyd. He did not die in Letcher, Ky He did not marry Lettie Elizabeth Nelson He did not leave England on a ship and join the Rev War in America. He did not die on 3 Dec 1825 He was a landowner in Wilkes County and raised 5 children and sold his last 100 acres of land in 1809 Wilkes County, NC, and below the Wits to his grand-daughter marriage in 1813

It's a real shame that someone lied in their research to connect James as a son of John Webb and Mary Boone when we know that was not true James Webb was of Wilkes, County not Letcher KY. He spent 38 years in Surry and Wilkes which was his home.

There are Libraries all over this County where many of James's Descendants live to spend a few days and see what else you can find on the REAL James Webb. Because my ggggg grandfather James Crittenden Webb has been ravaged by James Webb Descendants mix his family with that of James Webb of Wilkes County, NC His only mistake was being born in 1737 and marrying Elizabeth.

JAMES Webb New Research Surry and Wilkes NC 38 years he lived in Surry and Wilkes County, North Carolina with some evidence of the Merry Webb Family of Pittsylvania. Henry County Virginia, Merry Webb, Jr m/ Elizabeth Martin? 1697 Pittsylvania, VA died 9, 1774 Henry County, Virginia Three of his children came to North Carolina and settlied in Washington, NC Then Surry and as the lines changed Wilkes, North Carolina. So is Merry Webb related to James Webb It is very well possible because families travel and stayed together and he was with these Webbs 1771-1809 where his five children were born Mollie, Sarah, Benjamin, James, Jr, and William Webb.

John Webb, Million Webb, and Martin Webb settled in Wilkes , and James Webb is always on the Tax list with John Martin Webb was in Wilkes, NC a few times and settled in Warren, NC where he died. Other children were Lucy, Elizabeth Webb Sams, Mary Webb Burns, Merry Webb, Jr

James Webb born 1727-1766 Virginia/ North Carolina married Unk's wife. I expect she died after 1787 as her name has never been proven in records and we still have no SOURCE. We find James in Surry County, North Carolina

1771 Tax List Surry County NC James and Martin Webb 1772 Tax List Surry County NC Martin Webb 1773 Tax List Surry County, NC James, Martin, and John Webb 1774 Surry County Tax List James Webb + Dick 2 1778 Surry County NC Tax List Benjamin Cleveland District James Webb 1778 Tax List Washington, North Carolina John Webb, Sr and Martin Webb brothers Pittsylvania/ Henry Virginia 1778 parts of Surry County, North Carolina, and Washington, NC now Washington, Tennessee to form Wilkes County, North Carolina.

1782 Wilkes County, North Carolina Census/ Tax James, John, and Martin Webb

1787 Wilkes Co State Census July 7, 1787, Johnson Dist WM 21-60-1 1727-1766 WM under 21 over 60-3 under 21 WM 3 2 dau. 1 wife

1790 Wilkes County, North Carolina Census John Webb Jr Cuthbert Webb Million Webb Hall Ursula Webb wife of John Sr Frank Francis Webb

James Webb

1800 Wilkes County, North Carolina Stephen Webb, I believe this is James C Webb's son Burke, NC Cuthbert Webb Frank Frances Webb Million Webb Hall John Webb, Jr died in 1803 James Webb 1 male 45+ 3 males 2 Females

Wilkes County, North Carolina Land Deed Entry Mrs. W O Absher 1778-1781

22 June 1778 James Webb 140 acres water Roaring River called Harris's Creek near the road including improvement said Webb made now lives on

22 June 1778 James Webb 100 acres on Roaring River waters is called Harris's Creek

Wilkes County, North Carolina Deed Book F-1

29 Jan 1806 Between James Webb and Susannah Fugit $50.00 100 acres Harrisses Creek at first crossing place side of Harrises Mountain including Plantation whereon Susannah Fugit now lives Wits. Stephen Caudill, Matthew Caudill son-in-law's grandson

We find James Webb with 360 acres of land in Wilkes, NC 1806. On Mar 4, 1813, James Webb is witness to to marriages of Anne Adam and Peter Grace, James's son-in-law and granddaughter, and then the Oven Fork Church where he is made a Deacon in 1820. It appears he died after 1820 in Hardin, Kentucky

John Webb Sr and his Wife Ursula Wilkes County NC Will Abstracts Bk 1 1778-1779

John Webb 8 Feb 1786 April term 1785 Wife Ustley sons John and Francis, son Cuthbeth, dau, Hannah Childris/ Childress Wits John Brown, Richard Allen

Wilkes County, NC Deed Bk G-H Deeds and Grants 1782-1815

Aug 1810 Between John Webb, heirs, and Ephraim Davis 200 lbs 75 acres Naked Creek being lower and tract cont, 150 acres being Will of John Webb Sr Dec't divided between Francis and John Webb, JR Wits, Morton X Jones, Thomas Foster, Robert Binham, Heirs John x Hamby Hannah Webb, Charity{ wife of John Webb JR} Ellender and Elizabeth Webb, Hugh Jones Three daus of John and Charity Hannah, Ellender and Elizabeth

14 Sept 1810 Between Francis Webb and Aaron Case 80 lbs 75 acres on Naked Creek being upper-end tract of 150 acres by the Will of John Webb, dec't divided between John Webb Jr and Francis Webb... s/ Francis Webb Wits William Miller, Peter Stonecipher

30 Oct 1794 Between Cuthbert Webb and Aaron Case 5o lbs 100 acres waters of Naked Creek Frances Webb line,, s/ Cuthbert Webb Wits; James Durham, Peter Ragan

Million Webb 1723-1803 Wilkes County married Samuel Hall

Wilkes County North Carolina Will Abstracts Bk 2 1800-1811 Million Hall 27 Aug 1802 May term 1803 son, Thomas son Samuel Specifies estates to all children equally except they give dau Betsy Hendrix ten dollars in cash Children, Merry Hall John Hall David Hall, and Nancy Brazel To, Elizabeth Hendrix and Judea Hall son, David Landown Hall Dau, Mary Dugger Exers, Martin Hall, Darby Hendrix wits, Thomas Dule, Francis Webb, Nancy X Elmore s. Million Hall

Martin Webb m/ First Judith second m/ Nancy Phelps Will 1817, Warren Kentucky names wife Nancy no children listed Dau of Martin and Judith Naomi Webb m/ John Jett 5 April 1787 Wilkes, NC

James Webb b/ 1729-30 on 1767 Tax list Pittsylvania Jas son of Merry Webb, James Died before his father

Old message about these families Researcher Bowman very good sources

James BOWMAN, b. circa 1786-1790, NC married Elizabeth WEBB 7 Sept. 1811 in Wilkes Co. NC. I have her siblings as Mary Jane (m. Hugh JONES), Frances, John, Edith (married John HAMBY with James BOWMAN, bondsman), Hannah, and Eleanor (married Harden JONES). Elizabeth's parents are possibly John WEBB and Sarah CHILDRESS(?)

In an attempt to ferret out which of the WEBB families Elizabeth belongs to, I compiled the information below from a book (noted) and North Carolina deed abstracts. I am posting these in the hope they will help someone else. If you see any connections to my BOWMAN family with your WEBB relatives, please let me know. Thanks.

I see this same argument going over and over and over....... One of you makes a claim to a DNA connection, another denies its validity. I wish you could resolve the issue. I have a James Webb born about 1765 in England, died about 1820 in Virginia. The only info I have on him is an 1810 census from Rockbridge county, VA. He's, supposed to be my 4th gr grandfather, but I can't make the jump from my 3rd gr grandfather John Webb (b1785 Va d1875 Ritchie county WV) to my James. It would help my case if you could figure all of your James' out, so I could rule them out, and look somewhere else. I hope this doesn't come off as rude, but I've seen some pretty contentious interactions around this issue.

Webb DNA https://www.webbdnaproject.org/lineages.php Take a look The Letcher Kentucky WebbS does not match John Webb and Mary Boone Webb. Haplogroup for John Webb and Mary Boone M233 Haplogroup for Letcher Kentucky Oldest person Benjamin Webb 1775 RM269

Matching William Webb 1699, James Crittenden Webb, and Forrest Webb, William Sr nephew Same Haplogroup RM269

Thanks for the research on this. I have been looking into my family tree and got really stuck as the James Franklin Webb son's dates did not match up to the James Webb Jr mentioned in that profile, however the links to this one and the son linked above to this James Webb Jr are the dates I was looking for.

It seems to me that James Webb (webb-8529) is not the son of John and Mary - not a new thought. I believe he is the son of James Frankliin Webb, Sr. - 2450. According to the family Bible discussed at length on James Franklin Webb's profile, his first child was James, b. 19 Feb 1764.

You read my comments correctly.

Clearly not the son of John B. Webb as per birth year, possibly the grandson.

Webb-2450 and Webb-8529 are not ready to be merged because: The James Webb who supposedly died in what was to become Letcher County KY (b. abt. 1764) married Lettie (Nelson) Webb and was the grandson of John Jr. and Mary (Boone) Webb. He is not James Franklin Webb nor James Crittendon Webb. DNA tests do show all three of these men seem to be related.

Webb-2450 and Webb-8529 appear to represent the same person because: Same person