Proof of Relationship

Question

I am looking for definitive proof that Louisa Moses Caddell is the daughter of Joshua Moses II. I am looking for something that either names her as a child of him, a grandchild to his father, or a sibling to one of the other children. I live in Western Kentucky and am unable to travel to Whitley County where the family was located to search for records. If anyone can help me, I would greatly appreciate it!

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The best I have been able to find is a number.  The 1840 census didn't list names of family, just how many of which age.
If this is the correct Joshua Moses, Louisa would be one of the females aged between 5 and 9 (she should have been 9 or 10).

Home in 1840 (City, County, State): Whitley, Kentucky

Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: 3
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 15 thru 19: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 40 thru 49: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 5 thru 9: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 14: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 30 thru 39: 1
Persons Employed in Agriculture: 4
No. White Persons over 20 Who Cannot Read and Write: 2
Free White Persons - Under 20: 10
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 5
Total Free White Persons: 15
Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves: 15

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I have not found a census for 1830.

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I tried to find Joshua Moses in 1850 to see if he was living anywhere near William Caddell and Louisa.  Have not yet found him.

Of interest is that he is enumerated on the following page of William in 1870.  More digging is required, but I've run out of time. I've added a bunch of details and sources to William and Louisa's profiles.

FYI, William married second Margaret by the 1870 census when they were already married and might even have had a daughter Lisa Moses... the enumeration is odd.

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Joshua in 1860 was living in Whitley, Kentucky, which is where the Caddell family was living in 1850.  I have not yet gone through the names to see if Joshua is somewhere nearby in 1850.

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Does it help any knowing that Lucinda Moses, younger sister of Louisa, married Granville Perry Caddell, younger brother of Louisa's husband William Jasper Caddell?

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!850 census has Joshua Moses Jr living with part of his family, and others (married sons) living nearby with their families. 
Also living nearby is Celia Caddell, mother of Granville Perry, and William Jasper, with some of HER family (Martin, Mary Ann aka Polly, Daniel, Andrew, Granville, and Calvin (Granville and Lucinda didn't marry until 1862)).

I still have not found Louisa to determine if they were also living nearby — the handwriting is not the clearest, and the document is faded.
It is not helped by many (all) of the Moses family being transcribed as "Maron", "Marrs", or "Moris".

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Yes, actually in my larger tree on Ancestry, I have the entire family. Louisa was my great-grandmother's grandmother. My sister is named after Louisa's sister Lucinda. The Caddell family and Moses family are very intertwined, as is the Moses family itself. There are first cousins marrying first cousins.

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He is also on the next page from William and Louisa in the 1860 census.

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1850 - Joshua Jr and family -- Home in 1850: District 1, Whitley, Kentucky, USA; Dwelling Number: 392; Family Number: 392

1850, Louisa Caddell and family -- Home in 1850: District 1, Whitley, Kentucky, USA;  Dwelling Number: 261;  Family Number: 261

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So, they were living in the same place, just not right next door (I still didn't find them in the one document - I have two tabs open, one with her family (mis-transcribed as Luinnda Caddell), and one with her father (mis-transcribed as Josh Maron)).

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Angela, I don't think you will get better than this, unless you somehow find a baptismal record.
Sometimes we just have to take the bulk of the circumstantial evidence, and say "this is the best proof we have".

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I am hoping someone local might have something as well (or in the family). More records than not are still offline. It is amazing what you can find in courthouses, churches, and such. I am still holding out hope. At some point, someone decided she was a child of Joshua II's and chose to include her in his lineage. I am hoping it is because there was something tangible that said she was. Thank you for all your digging! I do appreciate it. :)

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Here is reference to a Tennessee marriage record for Louisa.  THAT is what I would be looking for. It should name her parents. Never mind (see below).

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It does not, unfortunately. Her sister Lucinda's marriage record does, but not Louisa's.

Answer 1

I notice that the profile claims that they Louisa married in 1846 when-- if her birth data is accurate-- she would only have been 15. That, I believe, would have required parental consent.  Seek a marriage record for her. In Kentucky, a marriage bond would have been required, but the profile claims they married in Tennessee...

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The marriage document makes no mention of ages, nor of consents.

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Another researcher that I know has inquired of the county for any records they may have regarding the marriage but no parental consent was filed or digitized that we can find.

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Melanie, did you find the marriage document?

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Never mind; I see you did. Awesome (that you found it); bummer that no parents are mentioned.

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I already had her marriage document attached to my tree on Ancestry and documented on her profile on WikiTree. The researcher I mentioned actually called Campbell County, TN to inquire about any documents that they may have attached to it (like a written consent from her parents). Unfortunately, they did not.

Answer 2

It is funny, I have been working this Joshua line a few days, and as far as I can find your info is correct, but I wanted to offer a link to a book published ?I think 1960+/-, but they had been working on it for years, as of now I have not found any errors and all the sources looked at so far have been verified. Probably not a true source but another tool in the toolbox, the name is "The Moses Tribe"
https://archive.org/details/themosestribe/mode/2up?view=theater

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Randy, I also have that source listed on Louisa's profile (and have a copy of the book in my house as a number of my family members are in it, including my mother). The only issue with the book is there are no sources listed for a lot of the content and even DAR will no longer accept it as a source (they used to and so did SAR). There is a woman on Facebook that says she has the letters the book was based on and she is looking through them now to see if she can find anything that would directly prove Louisa is the daughter of Joshua Moses II. I have all the indirect evidence anyone could ask for and most of the time that is more than enough for a family tree. This DAR application I am working on is a whole other story! lol

Thank you for helping! I do appreciate it!