G2G: Shouldn't submarines be separate from ships? [closed]

Question

i believe Submarines are not considered ships but boats.  Should they not have their own  sub category;  just saying.  thank you

Comments

I agree,they should have their own "SUB" category

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This reminds me of an old submariner saying …

There are only two types of ships: submarines and targets.

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Ok but I bet a lot of submariners do not agree.

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Um, they have  been separated for awhile

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:United_States_Navy_Submarines  at least for the US. The category has been in place since 2016. We don't separate them within the war categories, though.

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The Navy calls Submarines "Boats" but they are named and number the same as any other ship in the Navy - They are considered at sea commands and becoming the Commanding Officer of a Submarine is one of the more difficult tasks in the U.S. Navy.

Right now, the SSBN/Balistic Missle Subs are named for States and honor originally reserved for the Battleship.

rsl (CTRCS Ret)

Answer 1

According to the US Naval Institute, submarines are technically ships even though they are traditionally called boats. https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2017/october/bluejackets-manual-ships-and-boats-and#:~:text=Using%20the%20above%20guidance%2C%20submarines,ships%E2%80%94the%20original%20term%20stuck.

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Boats https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2017/october/bluejackets-manual-ships-and-boats-and

Now for some added confusion. Using the above guidance, submarines are technically ships. Yet they are traditionally referred to as boats. The original submarines were very small and manned only when in use, so “boat” was appropriate. But as they developed into larger vessels—and rightfully should have been called ships—the original term stuck. When the large nuclear subs began to appear, there was an attempt by some submariners to start calling them ships, but as with many things in the Navy, tradition trumped logic, and today, all submarines—even the giant “boomers” (fleet ballistic-missile submarines)—are called boats.

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gee,  and as a youth  in the Mariners, a Senior Girl Scout  We were informed by the Crew of the submarine that we took a tour of in Long Beach harbor, "this is a boat, ships can have boats on them but boats do not."  So the boys were wrong....

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Some submarines do have boats aboard. DSRV rescue vessels and SEAL transport vessels come to mind.

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Maybe they meant that ships can have boats aboard but boats can't have ships aboard?