How do you deal with "THAT'S MY RESEARCH!!!"

+12 votes
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This might be a long one, sorry.

I started my Genealogy journey after having been handed a GEDCOM containing roughly 7500 connected South Australian's that my mother had put together from Digger data. Her request at the time was "don't let my work go to waste, put it online somewhere so that others can benefit."

I chose WikiTree because it aligned with both my, and my mother's, desire for openness and collaboration. It would not be the first place you would choose based on ease of GEDCOM upload - there is work to do to keep the tree correct and unique. It is also a place I fit into because of its emphasis on sources. As far as I'm concerned, unless it was written down by someone directly involved then it's a fairy tale - I will cite the source and I will state it as speculative. I have some profiles whose source list approaches the hundred mark, each of them viewed by me and considered relevant - I'm a bit obsessive about it.

Given the breadth of the original GEDCOM I find that I'm not always working on "my" family. I follow leads, I like puzzles, I answer questions. At any given time I can be anywhere. All of what we do contributes to the whole, mistakes are corrected, and we all benefit.

I recently transferred the supposed parents (AA and BB) from a WikiTree profile (CC) to FamilySearch in order to find more sources and to verify correctness. I was quickly told by another FamilySearch member (let's call them Smeagol - not their real username) that I was wrong. So I put together the family of AA and BB on FamilySearch and found that their daughter (DD) could not possibly be CC because she died in her home country after raising a family there. So I concurred with Smeagol and removed the incorrect parents from CC.

I then committed the grave error of questioning all previous research and searched for CC in South Australian records. I found one immigration record and one marriage record in the time period of interest, with the exact name, and in the correct order for them to be linked.

Smeagol had already performed this search, incredibly novel as it was, and come to the conclusion that the two events were irrefutably linked, because some acquaintance of theirs had given it a once-over and nodded their approval. This is despite the fact that tens of others with the same surname (and unknown first names) had emigrated before CC. I asked Smeagol what evidence they had that the two were linked. Any evidence....

My next crime was to further investigate other possibilities and then, unforgivably, ask G2G for missing sources.

I have now been accused of being "extremely disingenuous" and taking Smeagol's "research (and the research of others)" and claiming it as my own.

What? Are they serious? What research? Am I missing something here? This has, literally, kept me up all night.

My first thought was to add the following pre-amble to my G2G post:

"A possessive and insecure user that hides behind an anonymous username at FamilySearch would like everybody to know that they searched for this individual in South Australian records many years ago and has the shoeboxes filled with scraps of paper to prove it. All subsequent searches for this individual should include the acknowledgment that they are derivative works of said user and should not further question their infallible work."

But that would be petty.

Any hints? How do others deal with claims of "YOU ARE STEALING MY RESEARHC!!!?!!" when the "research" in question is so trivial a search as to be inconsequential?
in The Tree House by Chris Willoughby G2G6 Mach 2 (23.3k points)

7 Answers

+15 votes
Genealogy can be scientific, and should be. Good scientists welcome challenges to their work, because it either improves their understanding or it gives them more certainty in their own knowledge.
by Jonathan Crawford G2G6 Pilot (280k points)

I concur, thanks Jonathan. I am a scientist and engineer by training:

  • You need to cite your sources
  • You need to show your working
  • You need to question everything
You also need to acknowledge mistakes and correct them - sorry for misspelling your name. Now corrected.
+18 votes
I pretty much ignore them. Never argue with an idiot, they will wear you down and beat you with experience.
by K Smith G2G6 Pilot (370k points)
I wish I could tell my restless self this before I went to bed last night. Thanks.
The price we pay to collaborate.
+19 votes
Plenty of times I've done careful and difficult research and established a carefully constructed tree, and then when I've put it online found other people had already done the same.

 I don't see why I should give them credit for my independent research coming to the same conclusion, nor do I see why you should.

 However it's nice to know other people have done their own research and got the same result.

 I think my response would be a pithy rural Kiwi expression, colourful but not likely to make it into the Readers Digest .
by Gary Burgess G2G6 Mach 7 (76.0k points)
Thanks Gary,

I'm of the same opinion, having done the work myself it is not plagiarism if you come to the same conclusion from the same limited set of known facts.

I also don't subscribe to the "my tree" vs "your tree" thinking. It's why I'm here - it's all "our tree".
+13 votes
Chris, personally I blame it on the current education system, which awards credit for trying regardless of the actual results. I've been in a similar boat, including being insulted by the person involved  (who had a long list of credentials after his name) and told that he even doubted that I was part of that family.

Eventually they all leave in a huff, at which time those of us who actually document what we find - and not just what great aunt Hilda told them - can set the record straight.

Patience, my friend, patience.
by Robert Judd G2G6 Pilot (134k points)

Thanks Robert,

we will endure. smiley

+15 votes
I find the possessiveness over research hilarious on some level -- like, we looked at the same records. You didn't write a book and then I plagiarized it. These are historical records sitting there for anyone to access.

Genealogists also get weirdly possessive over ancestors, even distant ones, as though they are the "rightful owner" and everyone else is an interloper. My guy, we each inherited the same 1% of DNA from this person several hundred years ago. Neither of us ever met them. Unless you really want to bust out the ouija board, neither of us ever will (and no ouija boards in my presence. Haunt ya own house.)
by Jessica Key G2G6 Pilot (316k points)
Thanks Jessica.

I can understand being a little protective of a well researched and properly sourced profile here on WikiTree that is then dismantled by a newcomer because it doesn't align with their view of the world. A careful explanation, or two, as to why the source "family history" is neither informative nor correct, was all that was needed - along with a few hours of undoing the undoing. They are still here, so I don't think I did any permanent harm. As a bonus they have family connections they didn't know about - all properly sourced.

Possessive is, as you say, a bit weird when applied in this context. If someone finds a new source of information I welcome it - even if it upturns all previously held beliefs.
+5 votes
First I would make sure that all my sources are added in the sources section.

Then, I would check if the researcher is one of the profile managers?  If so, I would thank the researcher for her/his work and tell them you are resigning as profile manager so that he/she can manage the profile.  I am a firm believer that those who complain should be given the reins. In 7500 gedcom profiles, there are bound to be some problem children that need more attention. Keep in mind that mom's research has been greatly expanded in recent years, so there are bound to be differences between researchers.  On WikiTree, the strongest, primary sources usually "win".
by Kitty Smith G2G6 Pilot (647k points)
Hi Kitty,

thanks.

The profile in question is not mine, and is currently managed by a family member. It is not my family, but I have done significant research on behalf of another, potential, family member. All sources that I find are put into the relevant profiles as I find them. There are no shoeboxes of paper scraps in my home - all my working is online (here and FamilySearch) in order that it be preserved for the future.

The researcher that has been so possessive is, as far as I can tell, neither a family member nor a WikiTree member. The following is pure speculation based on hints from their missive to me: they are a "professional" genealogist who's prior work has included this family. As such, the concept of WikiTree is an anathema to their business model. I sense an alternate source of irritation in their text. Again - pure speculation - and I will say no more about them.

In terms of the rest of my profiles I certainly have plenty to get on with. I, also, haven't completed the full upload of the original GEDCOM (there is a limit on size, and you have to ensure no duplication before a new profile can be created). I won't run out of things to improve.

Not on WikiTree!?!  My better self would thank her for her input.

My grumpy self would thank her for her input and send a link to the WikiTree Honor Code and explain that she is welcome to join us and improve profiles for the benefit of everyone.  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Special:Honor_Code  

+5 votes
It's unfortunate you had this negative experience, Chris.  I think FamilySearch is more like Ancestry than WikiTree.  I know it's supposed to be "just one tree" but in practice it's not like that.

 On WikiTree there's a better understanding of the concept of a shared tree. When you move work from WikiTree to FamilySearch (which I have done too) you may well be dealing with others who believe their version of a person's life-- facts, fiction, good sources, bad sources-- belongs to them.  That's why you were accused of theft.

My idea would be to approach FamilySearch differently than WikiTree.  It may be a wonderful site for records but definitely a more problematic site for a shared tree.  When it's one tree people are more likely to be grateful than resentful.
by Pat Miller G2G6 Pilot (222k points)

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