Question of the Week: What is something surprising you have found in your research?

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in The Tree House by Eowyn Walker G2G Astronaut (2.5m points)

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Birds of a feather flock together! Right?  Well, I have always been told by my family historians, and distant cousins I found on WikiTree, we probably came or descend from English origins. We hit a brick wall in 1690 Virgina, USA, so there is no proving where we come from.

Just last week, I traced my 2nd great grandmother and her IRISH ancestors (on both sides).  So an Irish girl marries into an English family...What is the big deal?

The big deal is that my 2nd great grandmother was put on a wagon train full of Irish in North Carolina and landed in Shelby County, Indiana, right next to my "English" family.  Three marriages result between my "English" family and her IRISH family (three Means siblings marry three Draper siblings)

surpriseIf birds of a feather flock together....I aint "English".surprise

Background:  The Draper name is a "Trade Name" in that people who worked with cloth, sold or marketed fabics, were called "Draper".  Every community in the British Isles and France had a Draper, just like every community had a Black SMITH.  

From my research, upper East Coast USA Draper are not related to Virginia and North Carolina Draper.  Famous example: Mary ''Draper'' Ingles of "Follow the River" fame was Irish and lived in Virginia when she was captured by Indians.  Pictures of Draper from both areas show different facial features, so much so you can easily say:  You look Irish" or "You look English".....I look Irish!wink

As Gomer Pile would say:  Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

by David Draper G2G Astronaut (3.6m points)
edited by David Draper
Irish?  How about Scots-Irish, very different indeed... more English than Irish...
+22 votes
It seems as though everyday has a new surprise. My most recent is my connection to Francis Scott Key.
by K Smith G2G6 Pilot (371k points)
Very cool!
how awesome is that!
My 8th grade history would be so proud of me for what I have learned since I have discovered Francis and I are 2c7r. Another cousin Duff Green-21228 1c5r also served the Jackson Administration, Duff and Francis were 11c5r from one another. Maybe they should teach genealogy first and let history fall into place.

A little more digging- Francis S Fitzgerald aka Francis Scott Key Fitzgerald aka F Scott Fitzgerald were 2c3r
+24 votes
Some surprises are not surprising if you know a little about the times, but I was surprised to learn that my colonial ancestor, Freeborn Balch, we're talking early 1600s, fathered a child out of wedlock. Well, I guess that happens, but then I was surprised that once the child was 5 years of age, he sued in court to cease child support payments to the mother. Apparently, a 5-year-old could earn their own keep!
by Lucy Selvaggio-Diaz G2G6 Pilot (831k points)
Yikes! I find it interesting learning about the different viewpoints people had in the past.
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A huge surprise was that my father wasn't born in New York City.  We couldn't find a birth certificate, although we know now that a deep search could probably find a child of the same birthdate who died young and possibly even a gravesite.  The first record was Dad (using what became MY name) arriving at Ellis Island as a "returning" American Cirtizen accompanied by his mother's Finnish niece, to be met by his mother who lived in NYC.  Customs and Immigration were suspicious (marked on his records) and held him for a week before turning him over to his Mom.

Recently, Y-DNA identified his father (through a half-brother, my half-uncle) in Finland.  And, oh, he was born 11 months earlier than he had claimed.  So Dad was a "boat person", an illegal alien.  He had a 35-year career with the U.S. Government but kept turning down promotions to D.C. that would have required a higher security clearance.

It turns out that my grandmother came from a land-owing Finnish family.  When her father died, her younger brother was too young to inherit so her older sister's husband took over and, wouldn't you know, became a drunkard who lost the land through poor farming and gambling debts.  My young teenage Grandmother took a job as a maid in boarding houses in the then capital city; Police records served as an annual census, so her movements could be traced over several years.  Along the way, she conceived my Dad from a Member of Parliament some 15 years older, whether consensually, fraudulently, or otherwise is not known.  After giving birth, she left the infant Dad with a sister and emigrated to the USA, aged 18.  His birth is recorded sans father in the Turku Cathedral.  She appears in the 1910 US Census as a married woman (with my surname), but no marriage records are available.  Seven years after she had migrated, my Dad arrived by sea.  Her "husband" soon left.

I just wish that I had been able to discuss this with Dad when he was alive.  It answers so many questions, like why I grew up on Indian Reservations, why he had taken ROTC in university but not taken a commission, and why a man who was so competent and so effective despite the government bureaucracy was neither promoted past GS-16 nor left the Public Service.

Rest in peace, Dad.
by Ray Sarlin G2G6 Mach 8 (83.5k points)
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+18 votes
Just today I found that my great-grandfather's brother George was apparently murdered.  The death certificate states he died "by Jury Verdict Gunshot wound from unknown hands".  He was 49 years old, a farmer, never married (that I can find record of).  He died in 1925.  Another record on Ancestry has a photo of my g-g with his first wife and their baby twin daughters and George; citation that it is the only known photo of George.  I'll need to take a trip to the library to find more information, and see if it was ever solved.  Not a story I've ever hear my mom tell.
by Shannon Sansom G2G3 (3.7k points)
How horrible! I hope you are able to find out more.
I am sorry to hear about the murder in your family. I suspect there was a murder on my father's side but cannot prove it because everything is hush hush. No one who knew would talk about it.

On my mother's side of the family, my Great Grand Uncle James Stillwell Bird was a saloon keeper who died suddenly. Those are facts.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bird-7907

I suspect, but so far cannot prove, that he was killed in a bar-room brawl because the cause of death document was not found.
My mom, sister, and I went to several cemeteries last week. We found the grave of her grandfather's sister-in-law Minnie, and Mom said that family rumor and suspicions were that Minnie had something to do with her husband's death.  However, Minnie's husband was another brother, Pierce. Pierce's death certificate gives the cause of death as complications of pneumonia.   I suspect my mom got the two brothers mixed up.  Or maybe Minnie really was up to no good.  Also, Pierce and my g-g Elbert were married to sisters, Minnie and Emily.  Emily was said to have been very nice, and Minnie was the "exact opposite".
+20 votes
We've had several, but here are some highlights:

I found out that my Grandfather's adoptive mother - was his actual Mother. (She'd been in an arraigned marriage and had dalliance that begat my Grandad.)  We also learned that my great grandfather, always proud of his Scottish "Maxwell" surname, and family history, had actually been an adopted child, born to the neighbors, the Irish Wilson family.  And this past week, upon breaking down a brick wall ancestor  that I'd been working for years, we were dumbfounded to find he descended from the son of a Austrian Baron who was sent to America for killing the King's deer. :O
by Alie Ruff G2G6 Mach 1 (18.3k points)

Was the Austrian Baron by chance named Fisher? We had a similar claim that our line was possibly related to a Baron Fischer, who had died in Germany, leaving a vast fortune.

The claim was researched over the years by several family members, including the late Lucy Fisher of Charlotte. She had been kind enough to send me two transcribed copies of the story, written by two different newspapers. One article was from the Denver Post, dated January 8, 1906, page 12. It included this information: Baron Fisher was a member of the Head Counsellors of Frederick the Great. One of his sons was Adam Fisher from whom the American heirs claimed title to the vast estate. The Baron’s other sons died, leaving no immediate heirs.

 It was written: “Traditions which have been handed down in the Fisher families for over a hundred years, repeatedly tell the same story, which the members of each family give in exact detail, to the effect that Adam Fisher, while out hunting, shot a deer on the King’s forest preserve, a thing which usually meant death to the offender, but as Baron Fisher was one of Frederick’s chief advisers, no action was taken against young Adam. The Baron, however, considered the deed a disgrace to the family and sent his son away. 

Adam Fisher came to America on the ship “Mary,” and landed in New York. There, his first son Daniel was born. Adam then moved to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and later to the valley of the Schuylkill River in Pennsylvania. This was in 1742. Within ten miles of the city of Philadelphia, his other children were born: Jacob, Lewis, Abraham, and Adam. Ten years after he had settled in Pennsylvania, Adam Fisher started for Europe to claim his father’s estate, but while waiting for the ship, he was attacked by smallpox and became blind. He never went back to Europe. When he died his widow bound out the youngest son, Lewis as an apprentice to a blacksmith. Lewis ran away from his master and settled in Culpepper, Virginia. He had four sons, Stephen, Barnett, Caleb and Adam.” 

The article went on to list the children of each of the other sons, as did another article in the Miami County Sentinel, dated Thursday, December 3, 1891. That article listed only four sons: Abraham, Jacob, Daniel and Adam. Abraham, the oldest had moved to North Carolina, where many of his grandchildren now lived. Jacob the second son, died in Maryland, in 1785. Daniel, the third son, lived in the Shenandoah Valley, Virginia, where he raised a large family. Adam, the youngest son, was apprenticed to a blacksmith at an early age and ran away. He went to Kentucky, then on to Clermont County, Ohio. 

Remember that all of this took place over almost a hundred and thirty-five years ago. I am sure that many Fisher families wanted to believe that they were related to this Baron, heard this story, and tried to find the necessary proof to claim the estate. They repeated the deer hunting story that had been printed in all the newspapers to their children, a story that is still being passed on to today’s generations. Many Fisher family genealogies found on Ancestry.com, still claim that they are related to this Baron Fisher, and some have even named a child, “Baron.” They tell the same hunting story, and are trying to find a link from their family members to this Baron. 

Unfortunately, the Baron Fisher story was found to be bogus. A delegation that was assembled from many different Fisher families was sent to Germany after WWI to search out this Baron Fisher. They found there was no evidence ever of the existence of a Baron Fisher, nor any other Fisher whom had ties to Frederick the Great and owned vast amounts of property in Germany. There was never an inheritance to be distributed! 

The bottom line for our Fisher family was that even though many family members knew that our Lewis Fisher was from Hesse-Kassel, and a former Hessian soldier, they still sent the family Bible, his will, and other important family documents to the offices of the lawyers Este and Hill in Washington, DC. These items were never returned to the family.

Nancy Fisher

Hah! Yes Nancy, that is the "Baron" story that I refer to.  I too, take the story for what it is: family lore.  Although I did view the documentation re: Baron von Fisherbach's title on scribd.  We have traced AtDNA matches to Adam Fisher Jr. and descendants, and have posted those results on wikitree as well, and are comfortable declaring that at least we know that Adam Fisher Jr. was the Progenitor for our line.  I am curious though, did you note Jewish ethnicity in your Fisher line?  I also wonder why so many Fisher's went to Germany to look for evidence?  The story I'd read always referred to him as an Austrian, and his province was located in what was then Bohemia?. -Take Care, Ali  Link to Baron Fisher von Fisherbach at scribd: https://www.scribd.com/doc/19439540/Baron-Johann-Adam-Fischer-Von-Fischerbach-Nobility
Alie,

My husband’s DNA does not note Jewish ethnicity. Our line in America began with Johann Ludwig Fisher (Lewis Fisher).  After the end of the American Revolution, and just prior to the British and Hessian troops departure from Charleston, SC; he and two other Hessians deserted and made their way to Concord, NC.  

The German documentation of the Hessian troops in America is  quite detailed and enabled us to learn details down to the fact that he was 5’ 6” and a weaver from Oberelsungen, Hesse Kassel. He was captured at Trenton, during the British Christmas morning attack on the patriots, and held prisoner for two years before a prisoner exchange.

We have been in contact with several Fischer residents of his small village and they went through the old church records and found where our lines connect.  

In regard to the Baron story, back around 1980 a law firm in Concord, NC was discarding old files and gave a family member a copy of a letter sent to our family from a law firm in Washington DC, stating that for the family to make a claim they were to send the family Bible, Will, and a list of heirs for Lewis Fisher. Such a loss!

I am not sure who exactly started this bogus search, but letters were found apparently going back and forth with our family and other Fisher families across several states.  Until I saw the letter from the lawyers and tracked down the actual newspaper articles I didn’t quite believe the story or realize how widespread the search had become. Yet no one seemed know who was the agent in Germany. I found information that because of WWI, all the Supposed monies had been taken by the German government.  That was when a group decided to go to Germany and found there was no money and no Baron Fisher connected to Frederick the Great.

I read your link, but still think it was either a scam or what became an out of hand prank.

Nancy
+25 votes
The most surprising thing to me is that I am still researching after forty years....AND still learning about my family as well as my community and the locations associated with my ancestors. The more I learn the more I want to learn!

There are so many avenues for research in 2023 compared to 1983 when I started with a notebook and a class at the Memphis Library, where I learned to crank microfilm, read Soundex, hang out at the courthouse to find marriages, wills, deeds, and so much more, including complete Family Group Sheets (fgs), census forms, timelines, etc. So much of this is readily available online, but it is still beneficial to research the old-fashioned way from time to time.

No Plans to Stop Researching for this Woman!!! The biggest surprise is I don't want to STOP! I need more hours every day!!
by M. Meredith G2G6 Pilot (139k points)

"The more I learn the more I want to learn!"

Exactly! 

I started in the 80s on a microfilm at an LDS Ancestry Library.  Very slow going.  Also writing to every great-aunt who was still alive and willing to pass on family history.  I did not have the good fortune to live in Memphis, like you, or Virginia, etc where more records would be found.  Computers sent me researching again...and I found relatives far and wide...speaking of which.  My aunt Mary Thompson, of Memphis, was married to Thomas Meredith, and they had sons Tommy and Robby Meredith.  Wouldn't it be strange if you and I were connected. Otherwise...we are 17th cousins through your Randolph/Brown/Weaver tree and my Cornell/Deighton/Lygon tree to Richard de la Bere.  Rather distant, I would say.  Cousins, non the less.
Margaret, same here- over 40 years with no desire to stop. There's always something new to learn and millions of records being added all the time. Good luck on your research!
I also started research, with my grandma, in the 1980's. I did a lot of typing letters, we went to so many cemeteries, met through letters so many interesting people and spending the time with my grandma was wonderful. I went through a rough patch in the 80's, stopped working on the history. Finally got my head together to return to history but it was too late, my grandparents died in early 1990's. I promised my grandma I would continue the search and with the internet it is so much better, love it.
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I just discovered that I have a 2nd great grandaunt, Sarah Elizabeth Baker, that lived over 103 years.

According to the obituary, she has 73 grandchildren and 32 great grandchildren.

P.S.:  Of course, she married a Baker!!!

by Tommy Buch G2G Astronaut (1.9m points)
edited by Tommy Buch
Wow! 73 grandchildren! How could she even remember all of their names? lol!

Tracking them down should improve your CC7! smiley

@Tommy, That is amazing!  My maiden name is Baker. I checked but no relation. smiley

+17 votes
I have some Feurstein in my tree  they are from Alsace France  ( I am french)

They went in USA the name became Firestone ,it is the origin of the Firestone wheels,

I sent to you a GEDCOM ...
by Laurence Grandidier G2G2 (2.4k points)
+16 votes

I found out that we are Pomeranians!

by Kate Russell G2G Crew (680 points)
Love this! lol!
I went to school with, someone with the last name Pomeranian.
+15 votes
Čeprav sem pričakoval čudo in našel podatke o mojem polbratu August, nisem našel popolnoma nobenih podatkov za čas od njegovega izstopa iz zračnih sil ZDA do njegove smrti. Kot da ni živel v ZDA v tem času, vendar je po podatkih umrl v Charlote, Severna Karolina. Poskušal sem izvedeti o njegovem pogrebu in podatku kdo je sprejel njegovo zastavo, vendar nisem mogel dobiti kar koli na naslovih, ki mi je skupnost dala. Torej ni nobenega presenečenja v tem delu.
by Zoran Novak G2G1 (1.6k points)
Hope you get an opportunity to find information on your half brother Zoran!
+16 votes
There have been quite a bit!

1- I found out who raped my 2x great grandmother and fathered her daughter.

2- It wasn’t a family secret, my great grandfather sold his kids for alcohol. I discovered that his son was adopted by a NFL player.

3- My grandmothers sister was a prostitute and hid a pregnancy and gave her daughter up the day she was born. No one knew of her existence until I messaged her assuming that she knew our family and I  was trying to break down my brick wall. She replied and said she would be happy to help me, but she didn’t know our family because of her being adopted. It made no sense to me, but she sent me a photo of her and her sister meeting back in the 90’s and her sister was angry that she had a better life and said she wanted nothing to do with her. Despite the photo proving that they did meet, her sister still denies that she had ever heard of her. She’s the kindest person and we are so grateful to have found her!

4- My grandmother spent her life thinking that she had this nightmare of having a baby sister who died. I found out just a few days ago that it was not a nightmare and she had a sister that passed when my grandmother was 3 years old, her sister was 7 months old.

There are so many other things I could share
by Mandy Smith G2G3 (3.1k points)
Ah, Mandy, this is awkward but did the rape occur in New York, If so I may have some info for you. Sincerely- Kathy Lee Bruyere
I’m pretty sure it was in Louisiana.
I have to admit, Mandy, that this collection of surprises takes the cake!

It is even better than the following story, also involving a Smith family. My grandmother, Bird Smith Dawson, had a sister, Elma Isabel Smith, b. 1884, who died at the age of 3, before my grandmother was born. Bird used to call Elma Smith "my little sister" even though Elma was older.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Smith-178804

Little did I know during my grandmother's lifetime that Elma and Bird had a cousin, Elma I Patton b. 1891, who died at the age of 8.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Patton-7118

I suspect but cannot prove that the "I" stands for Isabel. These cousins, both named "Elma I" never met, as Elma Smith died before Elma Patton was born.
+16 votes
I learnt that my Finnish heritage is still a mystery!

They didn’t get registered under their Finnish last names. So many got the same last names!

So I have to find a DNA match and begin to search from there instead I presume. But it was also a rather long time ago.
by Mi Westberg G2G4 (4.8k points)
+16 votes
(1) One of the Rockefellers murdered his wife, according to WikiTree a distant cousin of mine whose given name and surname are the same as my first love, who was Chinese.

(2) The Rockefellers are descended from the Kitchens, who are my mother's family from Cornwall.

(3) I knew that two cousins of my mother's married American servicemen during WW2 and moved to their home country.  I recently was contacted by a grand-daughter of one of those cousins. Her given name is the title of one of my favourite songs.
by Geoffrey Tobin G2G6 Mach 2 (26.1k points)
edited by Geoffrey Tobin
+16 votes
I've discovered a fifth branch of fontaine which emigrated from France to America, through England, Ireland and to the USA, in Virginia. A branch of 'de fontaine' from Maine, charente, France. source: Memoirs of a Huguenot Family authored by James Fontaine, descendant of Jean de Fontaine, published by Forgotten Books 2012. My most dramatic observation about the story is how the British Church of England Anglicans were so reluctant to accept the fresh Huguenot frenchmen(women) from France and resistant to integrate them into their society because of their refusal to allow greed to dictate how they operated their business dealings with the local public clientele. The established merchants were hostile to their mercantile success from these new immigrants who were also Protestant but different, not withstanding they spoke a poorer English than the locals.

 This is the first branch to migrate to the pre-revolutionary America, being Huguenot Protestants; all other 3 branches, claiming Catholic identity and settling in Quebec as Fontaine, with my branch being Fontaine dit Bienvenu.
by Roger Fontaine G2G3 (3.3k points)
edited by Roger Fontaine
"Welcome Fontaine".  That does sound Protestant!
thanks Geoffrey, I was mostly impressed with how these French protestant migrants, having fled Catholic persecution, leaving much of their wealth behind, instead of being victims and relying on charity were willing to live within their meager means and building a business reputation based on their values of compassion, and generosity over greed and selfish capitalist pursuit of profit.
+16 votes
There have been so many surprises!  One of the biggest for me was discovering my father’s English ancestry.   i thought he was Irish Catholic because his mother was. Turns out, his family arrived in Boston in 1638 from England.   His English lineage is traced back to the 1100’s and include some very interesting characters, such as, a famous Anglican bishop and an ancestor who dressed like the King during battle (in order to help the King avoid being killed).  That ancestor was killed during battle and is immortalized as a minor character in a Shakespeare play!

Another colorful ancestor i knew nothing about is Captain Mad Jack who slapped Miles Standish in the face, was expelled by the Puritans for his lawlessness, and whose murder by Indians started the Pequot War!  

Another surprise i had involved my mother’s Quebec ancestry.   I had no idea we had ancestry that stretched back 400 years to the earliest days of Quebec!  i have since discovered so many ancestors who were filles de marier and filles de roi.   

I also discovered a close connection to Louis Riel who is called the Father of Manitoba!   Louis Riel was a Metis and a very controversial character who was executed by the government for leading a violent rebellion.  He was a close cousin of my g. grandfather who changed his last name to “Clement” (peaceful) when he emigrated to Woonsocket, RI.
by Lynn Rutman G2G1 (1.6k points)

Hello Cousin :)

Lynn and A are 6th cousins once removed

Lynn (Goucher) Rutman and A Ruff are both descendants of Marie Antoinette Proulx (1727-1779).

+15 votes
While looking for ancestors in Quebec, i found a relative born there to American parents. Christopher Burt was born to Benjamin and Sarah (nee Belden).  His parents were captured in a raid on Deerfield, Mass. in Feb 1704, forced to walk over 400 km to Varennes, near Montreal. His mother was 8 months pregnant.  Her mother Elizabeth Foote had been killed in an earlier (1696) raid on the colony. Her stepmother Hepzibah Buell was taken in the 1704 raid but died or was killed along the way. Sarah and family were ransomed two years later, and gave birth to a second son on the trip home.  They called him ‘Seaborn’.
by Mike Sullivan G2G1 (1.5k points)
+15 votes
My Y chromosome started its new life, for 10 consecutive generations, including me, in the small area from Scituate to Boston, Mass.   My son was the first to be born somewhere else, in NYC.
by Stephen Bryant G2G1 (1.7k points)
+15 votes
Found that the one person my family members who were into genealogy (and commissioned a book on the Adams Family) - well the one person that pulled the family together, Adam of Fanno, could not be our ancestor. His wife would have had to have been 65 before she had her first child. The family he said he was related to don't list him, yet they listed every single other child by name including those that died soon after birth. Another Adams family mentioned him but said there was no relationship - it was insinuated the man was a liar. So, he's now off my tree as well as a few other trees in WT. And, now there's a major block going backward from that point. When I tell people in my family or just conversationally, I go "Adam of Fanno, that liar!"
by Debra Akin G2G6 Mach 2 (20.2k points)
+16 votes
While searching for my mother’s Tilley ancestors, I learned that we possibly come from Tilly, France.  This is surprising because I taught French for four decades and carried groups to Normandy while never knowing that my love of the area was innate.
by Catherine Fussell G2G6 (7.8k points)

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