Are there any photograph sleuths among us?

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Is there any possible way (I know I'm asking for miracles) to determine who a person is in a photograph? Can we get a good approximation of his age? Are there any clues to be derived from his clothing, pose, or props? What years would this photo have been taken? I have this old photo, presumably from my wife's family - but we have very little clue as to who it could be. I've had some guesses...but it is only a guess. Is anyone able to help with any of those questions? Hopefully, what I have below will lead you to the photograph.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992134896816492677/1195150162981556276/Daguerreotype_RobinsonOrJonesAdjusted.JPG?ex=65b2f153&is=65a07c53&hm=07718f9d9784dfd3c8fb96588de8c0774764e1aee3f5698b2399229d7c152914&

in Genealogy Help by Doug McCown G2G6 Mach 1 (15.5k points)
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There appears to be some writing in the upper right hand corner. Very difficult to make out. Are you able to lift up the "frame" without damaging it? By the style of dress it could be 1880s or thereabouts, though I'm just guessing. Sometimes you can find websites that provide examples of clothing from that time period.
by Mark Williams G2G6 Pilot (428k points)
Just thought of something, if it is an actual daguerrotype, those were common a bit earlier than 1880s. More like 1850s.
I agree that it looks like writing on the electronic image.  But, on the real thing...it is just dirt and wear.
The frame style is typical of some Daguerotype, Tintype photos. It should be possible to remove the picture from the frame, to look for informaiton. But it is better to be cautious and not damage the picture.

Tintypes are on a metal substrate and the use of a dark / black background produces the 'positive.'

wikipedia has a good article on tintype https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintype
It definitely feels like and looks like glass.
+6 votes
His authoritative pose (with hand grasping his lapel) and a book in his hand - maybe he was a preacher of some kind?
by Ros Haywood G2G Astronaut (2.0m points)
Clearly had some training in the art of Rhetoric - though it may just have been a suggestion by the photographer.
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I agree with Mark in that it looks like an old daguerrotype. I have copied information from Wikipedia to perhaps help with dating your image:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daguerreotype

I also agree with Ros that the pose with the book could be a preacher. I tried a close up, but cannot see any wording that indicates 'Bible'. Two other possibilities:

1) The pose of the head of a family holding a Bible (in those days an 'original source')

2) An academic (either a student or a teacher with the book representing the profession/situation). Illiteracy was common during this time and holding a book suggests 'learned'.
by Carol Baldwin G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)

Thanks. If this guy didn’t already have a photo I could believe it was him.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hunter-25356

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What is the size of the image? It's probably an daguerreotype, but could be a cabinet photo put in a fancy frame. Cabinet photos are larger than CDV (carte de visite) and on heavier stock. Daguerreotypes are the oldest, then CDV, then cabinet photos. The bow tie might help date it.

As far as finding the actual person, that's a real long shot. He's at least in his 30's. If you have some guesses, and can find the guesses in other photos, then you can do a compare. But pictures are rare for this time period, I'd say it could be 1850's and he likely died before 1900. This may be the only picture he ever had taken.

If it's a daguerreotype, those weren't real common, and a simple farmer or laborer probably wouldn't have money to spend on it. Also his fingers look clean and not gnarled. He could have gotten all spiffy for the photo, but also another clue he probably wasn't a manual laborer. He does have color in his cheeks though, probably had a bit of a tan, although forehead and such likely protected by the wide brim of a hat. That's my two cents, FWIW.
by Rob Neff G2G6 Pilot (136k points)
The size of the actual photo is about 2” x 2.5”.  It is contained in a small plastic-like sculpted hinged case.

so, you think he is about 30?
Late 20's to mid 30's is my guess.
Cabinet and Carte de Visite pictures aren't usually in that type of frame. That style of frame is more typical of the tintype / ambrotype photos. The difference between amrotype and tintype is the base material. Tintypes are on metal, ambrotypes are on glass.

The process gives a not earlier than date of about 1850. They were still being made in the 1930's but largely replaced by processes like Kodak film cameras.

Hope that helps.
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I'm no expert, but it doesn't look shiny enough to be a daguerrotype.  Perhaps an ambrotype.

 

by Charles Avis G2G6 Mach 3 (39.7k points)
I believe you are right. It is on a piece of glass.
If it's on a piece of glass and back-painted with black, it's an ambrotype. But being glass, they and daguerreotypes are shiny. The dullness of the surface of the face of the photo looks more like a tintype (image on tin), but if you say it's glass, it can't be.
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Given the surface appearance and the slight losses around the top, it appears to be a tintype (where the image is on the surface of a thin piece of metal). That doesn't help dating the photo since they first appeared in the 1850s, but were at the height of popularity in the 1860s and 70s. It also looks a little warped based on the light reflections, also pointing to a thin metal base. But you said in another comment that it's glass?
by Doug Sinclair G2G2 (2.5k points)
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If you right click on the image, you can search for that image and similar ones with Google Lens,.

Your image doesn't show up in the results, but there are many similar ones that are described as daguerreotypes, many with dates, some with locations and other information.
by M Ross G2G6 Pilot (740k points)
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I just added this photo daguerreotype - Ross-33904-4.jpg of my 3x great grandfather William John Ross-33904.  The case opens and I added a photo of the interior to his profile - Ross-33904-5.jpg,  According to it the photo hard case states that it is a daguerreotype case with 1856-1857 patents. According to what I can find, there was little use of this type of photo after 1860.  

Perhaps this information can help you.
by Cathy Brewer G2G Rookie (230 points)
Nice that you know who he is!  He had a great beard!

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