Can you navigate genealogical thrills beyond ethnicities and haplogroups in “The Free Ride”?

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In the grand quest of unraveling our family mysteries through DNA, some intrepid genealogy aficionados splash out on tests like they're buying tickets to a genetic amusement park. Yet, amidst this genetic rollercoaster, there's a free Ferris wheel called GEDmatch.com that many seem to miss. Picture this: AncestryDNA test-takers, swayed by the siren call of their ethnicity estimates, neglect the glorious possibilities of uploading results to GEDmatch.com. It's like having a treasure map and stopping at the "X marks the spot" without digging!

But wait, there's more! For those brave souls venturing into the realms of mtDNA and Y-DNA testing, it's not just about proudly flaunting your haplogroup like a DNA fashion statement. No, no. The real shindig happens when you take those results to mitoYDNA.org, a hidden gem in the genetic party scene. It's not just free; it's the backstage pass you didn't know you needed. Unleash the potential for discovering long-lost cousins from various testing labs, making your family tree the envy of every genealogical soirée. It's like confirming your family ties with a sprinkle of genetic confetti! 

in The Tree House by Peter Roberts G2G6 Pilot (706k points)
The FTDNA Discover tool offers the same information and capabilities for men with Y DNA tests, but with a larger database of Y DNA testers and without needing to upload your raw DNA to another website.

You don't have to be a member of FTDNA to use the tool, though you have fewer options.

https://discover.familytreedna.com/

At Family Tree DNA you can’t see how you match or differ via WikiTree.  Also you only see matches with others at Family Tree DNA.  mitoYDNA accepts Y-DNA and mtDNA results from other labs such as: YSEQGenebaseAfrican AncestryYoogene or from defunct labs: Gene TreeDNA HeritageRelative GeneticsSMGFAncestryEthnoAncestryOxford AncestorsPaternity ExpertsGenographic Project (Nat Geo 1.0), and Family Tree DNA affiliates: iGENEAGeneraDNA Ancestry and Family Origin, and AfricanDNA.

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You might be preaching to the choir, here. We all love the genealogical aspects and possibilities of DNA.

Now, if you can convince my DNA matches to let go of their ethnicity reports and upload their tests to GEDmatch, then we're getting somewhere.

Or heck, just convince my matches to put up a family tree somewhere, I don't really care where. Ancestry, here, or somewhere.

by Eric Weddington G2G6 Pilot (520k points)
selected by Peter Roberts
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So, lets see... GEDMatch, I have ran hundreds of folks, and have ten kits of my own there.  Most people on GEDMatch don't have trees.  One of the smallest Autosomal DNA databases on the planet.  FTDNA, at my last look had less than 2 Million tested.  There really isn't enough tests to work with to help one much with shared matches.  MyHeritage has a deeper pool around 6 Million testers, and many of those were uploaded from the Big Two.  Had I limited myself to the above DNA services, I'd have worked out far, far less than 10% of my matches.  23andMe used to be great for DNA, and they showed which segment start and stop positions, and alone had more tests that FTDNA+GEDMatch+MyHeritage all put together! But their trees were pointless, nor shared.  Luckily I had already worked out hundreds of other DNA Cousins with record path trails.  Which takes me to Ancestry.  Lots of trees, portion not accurate, when looked at from the outside, some of the known NPE events look like tree mistakes, then there are folks just accepting all the hints.  But, over *25 Million* DNA tests done.  The largest in the world.  From there, matches started working, from their easy to access records that are all pre-indexed, I could record path to my matches, many of my matches replied in their internal message system (some take time because they are not nuts like us), piles and piles of shared matches that make the crayon folks glimmer with glee (grouping/sorting your matches), and then there is a very POWERFUL tool called ThruLines.  It is based on DNA and existing trees.  Often that gets you the majority of the path, and then you have to record trace to verify, due to tree mistakes.  Drawbacks, no segment matching, but one can see if the other person will upload so you can utilize the nice tools at MyHeritage or other sites like GEDMatch, etc. in order to work on triangulating three different paths to a common ancestor, all in the same segment on the same chromosome, as well as in records, so one achieves the DNA "PROOF" Ancestor.  Additional drawbacks of Ancestry, price!  Or one can go waste an inordinate amount of time at a free site and not figure out much.  Of course, the even more useful tools at GEDMatch, are hidden behind a paywall called Tier 1, though the cost isn't much at all.  But once you shell out your dollars, you also get more matches at GEDMatch.  You win some, loose some.  If one were to add up the unique tests at FTDNA, GEDMatch(replicated only), MyHeritage, 23andMe, and all the other providers together, I'm not sure you'd match that pay Ancestry site, and it isn't all under one roof.  Take out 23andMe, bleh, not much left.  It is quite an unfortunate reality.

I've used MitoDNA, I have both Y-700 and mtDNA full sequence, it certainly was not worth the effort of uploading to MitoDNA. I got absolutely zero out of MitoDNA.  There is nothing to unleash at all at mitoYDNA.org that already isn't on FTDNA.  Lets see, how many tens of thousands of Ancient graves tested for Y-DNA, does Mito give you?  Timeline for your haplogroup matches?  How about a tree format for all your matches?  Looking at the lab reads to see the quality of the call for a specific SNP spot?  How about a list of private mutations?  Block tree format?  Handy user groups with knowledgeable Group Administrators, discussion forums, and charts to compare STR Markers for all the folks in your haplogroup in your project?  One could literally go on and on here.  Though for folks that tested at Nebula Genomics or Y-Seq, it would be likely for mitoYDNA to show you more.  However, often YSeq testers are on the European side, and you find a lot of those tests at a site called YFull.  But to get the full advantage, they'll charge you 50 dollars.  And they have caught some bad calls, or things that should have been called at FTDNA.  If you want to pay to get your .BAM file at FTDNA (Nebula's .BAM is free), Y-Full does a whole new alignment of the DNA strands as read from the lab test, and lots of other things.  Probably YFull is the second largest Y-DNA database, with a significant number of tests from other than FTDNA.

I'd please ask folks to state reality, significant short comings, where/why, etc. of the Free sites.  But you can't beat free!
by Doug Leeper G2G5 (5.5k points)
Yeah, if only WikiTree could harness the power of DNA tests and allow uploading of DNA tests here, and tie it to the tree database, and create some similar tools here to work with DNA test data. First thing would be an integrated chromosome mapper. Even if it's not as full-featured as other sites, the integration itself has a significant value.

Hello Eric,

WikiTree integrates with DNA Painter (a chromosome mapper). A testee’s WikiTree profile can contain a graphic link to the tester’s public chromosome map in DNA Painter.  Shared auDNA and X-DNA segments can be recorded in DNA Painter and linked back to the ancestral trail to the shared ancestral couple in WikiTree.  See https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5zaBBuLJNQI and https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/954460/did-know-wikitree-integrates-with-gedmatch-mitoydna-painter?show=954460#q954460 

Someone who is able to create WikiTree templates could make it easy for WikiTree users to incorporate of their personal DNA Painter public profile URL on their profile.

Simply adding your GEDmatch ID to your DNA information in WikiTee allows you to 

Find your autosomal DNA matches in GEDmatch via WikiTree:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b6yeCirkINc

Find your autosomal DNA matches in WikiTree:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1NgD9b3s0Gs

Compare two autosomal DNA testees in GEDmatch via WikiTree:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0FYhIZKGwlY

Find your X chromosome matches in WikiTree:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wcoJppPcI6k

Find X chromosome tested descendants in WikiTree and compare their X chromosomes:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qva7RYzYTVQ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRUG3_rXfdI

Adding a Y-DNA test taker’s mitoYDNA ID to their Y-DNA information in WikiTree makes easy to view the Y haplotype (1 min 5 sec video 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6GyUG5HIME  ) and compare two or more Y haplotypes (50 sec video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB_Qn5sOmxY ) (and compare up to 838 STR markers) in order to confirm that they have sufficiently matching Y-STR haplotypes

Adding an mtDNA test taker’s mitoYDNA ID to their mtDNA information in WikiTree makes it easy to:

Link to mtDNA HVR differences from the rCRS

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cDZoZBiDp5E&feature=youtu.be

Compare two or more mitotypes in WikiTree via mitoYDNA 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=apiZk2-80ZY&feature=youtu.be

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For an informed decision about uploading to GEDmatch please do note that the website was sold twice in the last couple of years, first to Verogen, a company that focuses on working with law enforcements agencies on identifying perpetrator of crimes. Recently it was sold again, now to Qiagen (see https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20230108005026/en/QIAGEN-Completes-Acquisition-of-Verogen-Strengthening-Leadership-in-Human-ID-Forensics-With-NGS-Technologies). 

Surely, there are now options to keep your DNA sample from being included in law enforcement research however last year it was discovered that there was a loophole and opt-out DNA kits could still be accessed (see https://theintercept.com/2023/08/18/gedmatch-dna-police-forensic-genetic-genealogy/).

FTDNA is even worse from that POV, as you have to opt-out by default (!) to NOT BE INCLUDED in law enforcement access. This has been criticized by many genetic genealogists, here’s also a review by the Harvard Civil Rights - Civil Liberties Law Review: https://journals.law.harvard.edu/crcl/new-doj-policy-gives-genealogy-website-users-weak-privacy-protections-from-law-enforcement/ (please note this article is from 2019).

Find instructions on how to opt-out of LE access here: https://www.yourdnaguide.com/family-tree-dna-opt-out-law-enforcement

Hope these links and information helps making informed decisions where to upload your raw DNA data, especially now that Ancestry has hidden more DNA features behind a costly subscription fee.

by Andreas West G2G6 Mach 7 (76.0k points)

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