Odd association between Bernardo Say S (Argentina) and Mary Shard; latter is PGM

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WikiTree reports an odd association between Mary Shard/Shard-2 and purported spouse, "Bernardo Say S"/S-173 and as the mother of his son, Isidoro Say S/S-174 (b. 1620, Argentina). 

Mary Shard/Shard-2 (as b. 1604, London) was a Puritan Great Migration immigrant; she is known to have been the wife/widow of two English Puritan Great Migration immigrants. 

I have exhausted resources available to me that might explain this odd association. Others are welcome to investigate separately. If we are not able to identify some historical bases to justify the Mary Shard/Bernardo/Isidoro association, might we sever Mary's association to the other two profiles.

Notes follow. Thank you in advance.--GeneJ 

Background: WikiTree and four other online family tree sites claim Mary Shard/Shard-2 (1604-16812) had a marriage with "Bernardo Say S" (born and died Salta, Salta, Argentina); also that Mary the mother of Bernardo's son, "Isisdoro Say S." Isidoro is reported born 1620 at Salta, Salta, Argentina; reported to have died there).

This claim seems far-fetched; I have found no records or reasoning that might explain this association.  This includes null returns from a search in Historical Collections of FamilySearch for marriage record of a "Mary Shard" and spouse "Bernardo" between 1600 and 1700, any place. (Nor was I successful searching for marriage record using exact spelling for any Mary, any Bernardo, between those dates, anywhere.)  

About Mary Shard/Shard-2: She is identified as the wife of both (1) John Gove and (2) John Mansfield by Robert Charles Anderson, _Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume V, M-P_ (2007), 14-17 for "John Mansfield." 

A 2010 article by Marian S. Henry reports John and Mary (Shard) Gove probably arrived New England in 1642, citing a more detailed article about this couple in _New Hampshire Genealogical Record_ 11 ("Wheeler, 'Antecedents of John and Mary (Shard) Gove'"); I have not reviewed the latter.

Family tree sites reporting about Bernardo/Isidoro, etc.: A browser search >> "Isidoro Say" "Mary Shard" << returns 10 hits. Depending on how you count the returns, the information is found on WikiTree and four other Internet family tree sites. 

  1. Geni.com-no sources; but neither do I find the marriage to Bernardo or parentage of Isodoro in that record.
    http://www.geni.com/people/Mary-Sales/6000000004322730557 
  2. FamilyTreeMaker, for FamilyTree of Dana E. Lambert … ; updated last in 2007. Reports this as a third marriage, citing "OneWorldTree," _Ancestry.com_. (Great Migration reports her second husband didn't die until 1674; she d. 1648, "Old widow Mansfield.") http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/l/a/m/Dana-Lambert-FL/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0223.html
  3. Genealogy.com, also for FamilyTree of Dana E. Lambert, as above. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/l/a/m/Dana-Lambert-FL/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0289.html
  4. My Heritage (trees), three hits, all of which refer back to WikiTree. 

(a) Record in Gezm\\\'s family tree for Bernardo Say S. links to WikiTree for "View Full Record"  http://www.myheritage.com/research/collection-10109/wikitree?itemId=15501799&action=showRecord 

(b) In Carrabi\\\'s family tree for Isidoro Say S. links to WikiTree for "View Full Record" http://www.myheritage.com/research/collection-10109/wikitree?itemId=15501800&action=showRecord

(c) In "Xazz\\\'s" family tree for Isidoro Say S links to WikiTree for "View Full Record" http://www.myheritage.com/research/collection-10109/wikitree?itemId=15501800&action=showRecord 

 

 

WikiTree profile: Mary Mansfield
in Genealogy Help by GeneJ X G2G6 Pilot (119k points)
edited by GeneJ X

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I can find no documentation to document or verify this relationship between Mary Shard and Bernardo Say S. I believe this was an erroneous legacy of a ged.com association and the two should be disassociated.
by Philip Howe G2G Crew (770 points)
selected by GeneJ X
Thank you, Buckley Howe, for taking the time to look this over. Much appreciated. --GeneJ

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