pre-1500 corrections needed on a previously orphaned Colville-Boyd profile

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Janet Colville, daughter of Eupheme Wallace and Sir Robert Colville of Hiltoun was supposed to have married Alexander Boyd "before 23 Nov 1505." 

Problems start because of the vital dates a generation ahead, on the maternal side, especially, but also, Janet's estimated birth date is quite possibly incorrect.

Maybe as Lundy's The Peerage site cites page 104 in The Complete Peerage, Volume XIV: Addenda & Corrigenda - maybe... something is in the reference to help sort out this chain of dates?

Children of Janet and Alexander Boyd's marriage have no dates of birth listed by Lundy, either. <rolls eyes> That generation should be mostly accounted for in Burke's Peerage, according to Lundy.

Where does it end, or begin, as it were? (Oh, selfishly, I'd like to request that this profile especially be fixed: a quick fix would be to delete her date of birth... I adopted this profile before noticing that it was pre-1500. So much for my sensitivity to specific dates.)
THANKS

WikiTree profile: Janet Colville
in Genealogy Help by Porter Fann G2G6 Mach 9 (95.5k points)
edited by Maggie N.
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According to The Complete Peerage, Vol 2, p. 261 (thanks for the link on the profile RJ ) the 23 Nov 1505 was the date of the dispensation for their marriage, but it was long after they were married and had children.

As RJ has stated already on the profile Vol 14 just adds her mother's name Euphame Wallace, there is no correction to any dates.

It is possible that Janet Colville's birth date is incorrect, but we shouldn't assume by too much.  The reason Darryl Lundy doesn't give birth dates on thePeerage website is because we often don't know them in this time period, and often primary sources for them can be in short supply so it can be difficult to even estimate.

It is probably going to take much more research on this extended family to try to get some idea of when they were all born or even if they belong in this family (the brother John Colville, for instance).  In the meantime I think we need to avoid making changes just to correct any possible errors.

by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (621k points)
I was hopeful that some intergeneration anchor dates might emerge. My suggestion was that we might validate those, and do away with the guessed dates, or at least make the solid profile viable, even if that means removing the date(s) that aren't supported by any source but a family tree.

No rush though, agreed.

In The Scots Peerage (TSP) p. 151, "He married Janet1, sister of Sir William. . ."

1 "See her letter applying for a dispensation of her marriage; Boyd Papers, 150." (Emphasis added.) 

Where might one find "Boyd Papers?"

Clearly, the dispensation request was about the consanguinity (which is painfully described in TSP); some and perhaps all of their children were born before 23 Nov 15052, presumably the date of that letter.

2 Boyd Papers, 151.  

Bottom line: the only definitive date we have about Janet is that her marriage occurred before 23 Nov 1505 - so that much can and should be updated.

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