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Sibyl (Marshal) de Say (abt. 1213)

Sibyl (Sybil) de Say formerly Marshal
Born about in Englandmap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married after 1230 in Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Profile last modified | Created 21 Feb 2011
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Biography

Sibyl was said to be the daughter of John Marshal of either Lenton, Nottinghamshire or Linton, Kent.[1] Nothing more seems to be known of her parentage.

She married William de Say. They had two sons and four daughters.[1]

In 1244 she received a gift of deer from Henry III.[1]

Research Notes

Sibyl has previously been shown on WikiTree as daughter of John Marshal, one of the "Illustrious Men" of the Magna Carta who were King John's counsellors, and Aline de Rie. No good source has been found for this, and if, as Douglas Richardson states[1], her father was said to be a John Marshal of Lenton, Nottinghamshire or Linton, Kent, that points to his being a different John Marshal.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. Salt Lake City: the author, 2011, Vol. III, p. 497, SAY 2, Google Books. See also WikiTree's source page for ‘’Magna Carta Ancestry.’’

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I have now detached Sibyl from her previously shown parents and added a research note.
posted by Michael Cayley
There appears to be no evidence that she was a daughter of the parents currently shown, and Douglas Richardson's "Magna Carta Ancestry" points to the likelihood of a different John Marshal being her father. I will ask a question in G2G, but, subject to any further info that emerges, propose to detach her from them, with a research note on her profile.
posted by Michael Cayley
Please remove the "database online" veiled Ancestry "citations," as they are family trees. If you wish to keep one notation of which tree you examined, move that to = Research Notes = and indicate that that is what it is.

Take a look at her husband's profile, and verify the two sources cited do in fact mention her; if so, you now have two, with just a small amount of re-working to change the referent:

He married Sibyl Marshal, said to be a daughter of John Marshal, circa 1230;[2] They had 2 sons (Sir William; & John) and 4 daughters (Alice, wife of William de la Forde; Hawise, wife of Sir John le Marshal; Agnes, wife of Sir Alexander de Cheney; & (unnamed), wife of John de Sudeley, 1st Lord Sudeley).[3]

posted by Porter Fann
Her death date of about 1250 conflicts with the birth of her son, William on 20 Nov 1253.
posted by Susan (Knight) Gore
Is there a source for her place of death? I don't think there was a place called Austria, Hungary in 1250.
posted by Susan (Knight) Gore

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