Lucy
Carew
formerly Willoughby
Born about in Beddington, Croydon, Surrey, England
Daughter of Richard Willoughby
and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of
Thomas Huscarl
— married
1343 in England [uncertain]
[uncertain] Wife of
Nicholas (Carew) de Carew
— married
after 1352 in Beddington, Surrey, England
Descendants 
Died before
before about age 60
[location unknown]
Profile last modified
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Biography
In 1345 Richard Willoughby and his wife Elizabeth paid a fine of 100s for purchasing the manor of Beddington without license. They do not appear to have held property in the area before that time. Richard WIlloughby acquired a mill in Beddington in 1347.
Their daughter (and only child), Lucy, married, about 1343, Thomas Huscarl, who held the neighboring manor in Beddington Huscarl, in Surrey, and the manor of Purley Magna, in Berkshire.[1] That year the manor of Purley was vested in Sir Thomas and Lucy and the heirs of their bodies, with contingent remainders to Sir Thomas's son from a previous marriage, John and his heirs.[2]. In 1349 the manor of Beddington Huscarl was settled on Thomas Huscarl, his wife Lucy and their son Thomas in tail male. (Thomas's older son John, had apparently died before 1349). [3] They also appear to have had a daughter Joan.
Lucy was still living with her first husband, Thomas Huscarl in 25 Edward III (1352)[4].
In 1352 Richard Willoughby and Elizabeth leased (for life) the manor of Beddington to Nicholas Carew. After the death of Thomas, his widow Lucy married Nicholas Carew (possibly coincident with the lifetime lease). In 1363 Richard's widow, Elizabeth, converted the manor in fee to Nicholas Carew.
In 1369 the trustees for Thomass Huscarl (son of Thomas and Lucy) remitted their right to Beddington Huscarl to Nicholas Carew. (Does this mean that the younger Thomas had died?) Between then and 1379 several other members of the Huscarl family remitted their interests in Beddington Huscarl to Nicholas Carew. Subsequently the two manors (Beddington and Beddington Huscarl) were merged.
When Nicholas Carew died in 1390, his will mentioned
- - Joan Huscarl, a nun, (presumably daughter of Lucy and Thomas Huscarl)
- - Margaret Turbevyle (his daughter)
- - Lucie, prioress of Roosparre (his daughter).
- - Nicholas (his son)
The will makes no mention of his wife, Lucy, so she presumably died before 1390.
Research Notes
Many on line sites say that Lucy Willoughby is the daugher of Richard Willoughby of Wollanton (abt. 1290 - 1362) Justice of the King’s bench, and his third wife, Elizabeth Velletort. But this appears to be false.
The sources cited for Lucy (Willoughby) Carew make it clear that Lucy was the only heir of her father, Richard Willoughby of Beddington.[5]
Willoughby of Wollaton had 7 chidren. His sons, Richard, Thomas, Roger, Hugh, and Edmund Willougby, were his heirs. In addition, his daughters, Mary/Marjory Mallory and Isabel Peche, inherited land from their mother, Isabel Mortein. (No "Lucy" inherited anything from Richard Willougby of Wollaton.)
Furtheremore, Lucy Willoughby can not be the daughter of Elizabeth (Valletort) Willoughby (abt. 1285 - aft. 1363).
Various on-line sites (but without reliable sources) give Elizabeth Valletort's date of birth as 1280, 1282, 1285,1292. Even without a reliable date of birth, she was married 3 times, • to Richard Tremenet, and had a son, also Richard Tremenet before his death before 1316 • by 1316 to Richard Champernoun, and had 4 children, • In 1343 to Richard Willoughby of Wollaton, Nottinghamshire. Even if her marriage to Tremenet was very short, and she married him very young, she would have been in her 50s or 60s when she married Willoughby, so the multiple statements that she had no children by Richard Willoughby of Wollaton are very likely to be true.
Lucy Willoughby married her first husband, and had a child, before 1349. Elizabeth Valletort didn't marry Richard Willoughby of Wollaton until 1343. Any child of Richard WIlloughby of Wollaton and Elizabeth Valletort would have been less than 6 years old in 1349.
Sources
- ↑ The History and Antiquities of the County of Surrey by Re Owen Manning and Willaim Bray Vol II 1804 pg 522
- ↑ 'Parishes: Purley', in A History of the County of Berkshire: Volume 3, (London, 1923) pp. 417-422. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/berks/vol3/pp417-422 [accessed 4 April 2024]]
- ↑ 'Parishes: Beddington', in A History of the County of Surrey: Volume 4, (London, 1912) pp. 168-178. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/surrey/vol4/pp168-178 [accessed 4 April 2024]
- ↑ 'Beddington', in The Environs of London: Volume 1, County of Surrey, (London, 1792) pp. 49-67. British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-environs/vol1/pp49-67 [accessed 4 April 2024]
- ↑ The History and Antiquities of the County of Surrey by Re Owen Manning and Willaim Bray Vol II 1804 pg522
- The Environs of London: Volume 1, County of Surrey. Originally published by T Cadell and W Davies, London, 1792. Beddington Pages 49-67
- A History of the County of Surrey: Volume 4. Originally published by Victoria County History, London, 1912. Parishes: Beddington Pages 168-178
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This clicked for me when I saw that Elizabeth de Valletort's mother was Lucy/Lucia Brito/Bret. Her father was Hugh de Valletort of Tawton, Devonshire. This Lucy would have, therefore, been born after 1338, so let's say 1339, which works with her son Nicholas being born say 1354-1359. See also https://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-environs/vol1/pp49-67#anchorn6 which makes it clear that the Richard Willoughby acquired the manor Lucy inherited by purchase, supporting that he was from outside that area.
See revised Research Notes for details. But the biggest factor is that Lucy was married, and had a son, by 1349 - Elizabeth Valletort did not marry Richard Willoughby of Wollaton until 1343.
One point that you miss is that just because a daughter was called an heir of her father, does not mean she was the only daughter. She could well have been the only daughter - or child - of her mother with that husband. If you have studied the ancient wills as I have - and I have, extensively, you will have to agree with me on at least this.
Also, I did not arrive at my post by consulting "online trees" but rather by consulting actual sources.
edited by Lisa Paye
"Their daughter, Lucy, married first, Thomas Huscarl, who held the neighboring manor in Beddington Huscarl. In 1349 the manor was settled on Thomas Huscarl, his wife Lucy and their son Thomas in tail male. "
I have not created profiles for either Thomas Huscarl, because I was focusing on the Carew marriage. But the "husband and son by 1349" is right there in the biography.
“A Topographical History of Surrey”, by E.W. Brayley Volume 4, pg 52 , talking about the manor of Beddington Huscarle, says that “Richard Willoughby had an only daughter, Lucy”.
I did not intend to be rude, but I do not think it is "friendly" to say that I have the wrong parents when you have not carefully read the biography.
edited by Janet Gunn
Willoughby-146 was removed as her father 3 years ago.