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Margaret (Pilkington) Babthorpe (1370 - 1423)

Margaret Babthorpe formerly Pilkington aka Arderne
Born in Pilkington, Lancashire, Englandmap
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Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Wife of — married before 1412 [location unknown]
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Died at about age 53 in Englandmap
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Biography

Margaret[1] Pilkington

b. abt. 1371 - d. 1423[2][3]

Disputed Identity

Note that Pilkington (1912), identifies the wife of Sir John Ardern as "Margaret Pilkington," but this is disputed by Lewis (2019), citing works by Douglas Richardson, who also asserts that "Margaret," was the name of her mother.[2] However, RIchardson (2011), also calls her "Margaret, dau. of Roger Pilkington," in at least two of his books.[4]

Disputed Parents

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According to Pilkington (1912), she's supposedly the second dau. of Sir Roger (living 1312; d. abt. 1347) & Alicia Bury (d. abt. 1374).[5] But Lewis (2019), makes her the dau. of Sir Roger Pilkington (b. 1325 - d. Jan 1406), son of Sir Roger & Alice Bury, who m. Margaret UNKNOWN. ... which moves her down a generation.[6]

Marriage

Margaret was married twice:[5][2]

  1. Sir John (b. 12 Mar 1369 - d. 02 Jul 1408), son of Thomas de Arderne of Elford, co. Staffs. & Katherine Stafford.[5][2]
  2. (bef. 1412 as second wife) Sir Robert Babthorp[e], sheriff of Staffs, son of Thomas Babthorpe & Joan Osgodby. No issue.[5][2]

The Prince of Wales Vs Margaret, Widow of John son of Thomas de Ardene

In 10 Henry IV [30 September, 1408-29 September, 1409] at Chester, the prince of Wales, as earl of Chester, versus Margaret formerly wife of John, son of Thomas de Ardene, in a suit for the right to the manors of Aldford, Alderdelegh and Echeles, the advowsons of the churches of Aldford and Alderdelegh, and a rent of ten marks from the manor of Upton in Wyrehale. The pleadings show the following descent:[1]

John de Ardene, seised of the manors, advowsons and rent, in the reign of Edward III [1327-1377], married Elena, and had two sons and two daughters:
  1. Thomas, who had:
    1. John de Ardene, living 8 Henry IV [30 September, 1406-29 September, 1407], but dead by 10 Henry IV, married Margaret, the plaintiff;
  2. Walkeline, who died with no surviving children;
  3. Matilda, who was married to Robert, son of Robert de Legh, and had:
    1. Robert de Legh, Kt, living 10 Henry IV;
  4. Isabella, who was married to Hugh de Wrotteslegh, and they had:
    1. John de Wrotteslegh, who had:
      1. Hugh de Wrotteslegh, living in 10 Henry IV.

The pleadings also state that Thomas and Walkeline were illegitimate, being styled sons of Elena only— and that John de Ardene, the husband of Elena, had left no male heir of his body. Margaret claimed under a settlement made by her husband in 8 Henry IV [30 September 1406-29 September 1407], a licence of alienation having been obtained from the prince of Wales, as earl of Chester, and a verdict was given in her favour. Under a previous settlement of 21 Edward III [25 January, 1347-24 January, 1348], also made with the licence of the prince of Wales, as earl of Chester, the same properties had been settled on John de Ardene and Elena, his wife, for their lives, with remainder to Thomas, son of Elena, and their heirs male of his body, with remainder to Walcheline, brother of Thomas, and the heirs male of his body, and failing such, to the heirs of the bodies of John and Elena. Under the first settlement, the Arderne estates would have been divided between Robert de Legh and Hugh de Wrottesley.[1]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 Public Record Office, Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls Collected from the Pleadings in the Various Courts of Law AD 1200 to 1500 from the Original Rolls, ed. Major-General The Hon G Wrottesley, (1905), 256, e-book Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/pedigreesfromple00wrotrich/page/256/mode/1up : accessed 11 June, 2022. [Chester Pleas: 10. Hen. 4. m. 9].
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 Lewis, M. Sir John Arderne. ORTNCA, citing various works by Douglas Richardson & Lt. Col. John Pilkington. Web.
  3. Lewis, M. (2019, December 1). "Matilda (Maud) Pilkington #29517, b. circa 1371, d. 1423." ORTNCA, citing Paget; various works by Douglas RIchardson; Pilkington (1912). Web.
  4. RIchardson, D. (2011). "Thomas Stanley," in Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd ed., p. 104. Google Books. Richardson, D. (2011). "Thomas Stanley," in Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd ed, p. 680. Google Books.
  5. 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 5.4 Pilkington, 1912, p. 42-43.[1]
  6. Lewis (2019, December 1). Sir Roger Pilkington b. 1325, d. 02 Jan 1406. ORTNCA, citing Douglas Richardson. Web.




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