Samuel (Wiele) Veley (1771)

Born 1771 in Glenvale area, Kingston Twp., Mecklenburg Dist. (historic), Lower Canada (Quebec)

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Last Edited May 15, 2017^[1]

Samuel Veley/Wiele Samuel was born on 1771 in Glenvale area, Kingston Twp., Mecklenburg Dist. (historic), Lower Canada (Quebec).. ^[2]

Notes

Submitted from Veley Family Group Sheet

Posted 26 Sep 2009 by lilyreed44

Aaron VELEY and Elizabeth "Bessie" PETERS were married in 1826 in Ernestown Twp., Lennox and Addington Co., Ont.2 They lived in Wilton, Ernestown Twp., Frontenac Co., Ont. in 1852.2,11 Aaron Veley and his family occupied a single story log house. The property was used for agriculture and was part or all of the 6th Concession, Lot 41 in Ernestown Twp., which places it near the town of Wilton, Ont. There was 45 acres under cultivation, 34 acres under crops, 9 acres under pasture, 2 acres in gardens and orchards and15 acres in woods or wild. They lived with their son George W. Veley and grandsons Charles and Peter Reed in Hinchinbrooke Twp., Frontenac Co., Ont in 1871.12 Elizabeth "Bessie" PETERS3,13 (daughter of Samuel Andrews PETERS Jr. and Elizabeth PERRY) was born in 1805 or 1806 in Canada West.11 In 1852 she was a weaver.

11 She was listed as having no creed in 1852.11 She died after 1871.3

The Veley Story (Just how true is it?)

Posted 22 Nov 2013 by Hollis Veley

The following paragraph is a short written story about the first Veleys to arrive in Mecklenburg District of the historic Province of Quebec (later known consecutively as Upper Canada, Canada West and Ontario). The information was provided to Blanche Beatrice (Veley) Monroe by Alvin Earl Veley of Yarker, Ontario. This information may have been provided to Blanche in 1968, but that is not clear. Blanche provided it to me back on 12 July 1977, when I started getting interested in the Veley Genealogy. The story, only 45 words long, should be treated with skepticism. Here it is:

"The first two Veleys came from England. One was hanged for jumping his bounty, the other married a Scot girl. Their children were Aaron, Clarke and a daughter. Aaron married Elizabeth Peters. Their children were Ira, John, Little George cut throat, George, Elizabeth and William".

While the story is fascinating, there are several dilemmas contained within it, some without an apparent resolution:

1. This Aaron is also known in some records as Aaron H. Veley. Aaron H. may have served in the War of 1812, but a birth date of 1804 makes this improbable. Aaron received a regular pension for his services untl his death. It may have been his father Samuel's pension for services that his father rendered that Aaron ws permitted to receive.

2. Aaron's brother appears to have been named Chark, but other variants, including Clark, appear in records. Chark married Sarah Clow.

3. Aaron and Chark's unnamed sister has very recently (October 2013) been determined by me to be Amelia Veley, who married Abel Smith.

4. After painstaking investigation, it can be verified that Aaron did have several children, but only one was named George. These children (in birth order) are Ira, John Herbert, Aaron, Elizabeth, William and George Wellington. George W. was apparently also known as "Little George" and as "George Junior". He was married to Mary Ann Rusho (a.k.a. Rushaw and Rusher). George W. (born about 1847-1849), migrated to Jefferson County, New York, apparently beween 1901 and 1910, and died between 1910-1915 on Wellesley Island in Orleans Town, Jefferson County, New York. George Jr. and George W. (one and the same) is listed as the owner (freeholder) of a specific farm property in Olden Township, Frontenac County directories from 1884 until 1894.

5. There was also a George Veley (born about 1849-1852) who died by suicidally cutting his own throat on 20 March 1893 in Olden Township, Frontenac County, Ontario. However, this George was the son of the aforementioned Ira Veley, and not the son of Aaron. This George was apparently also known as "George Senior" (and perhaps also known as "Big George"). He was married to Mary Ann Vinkle (a.k.a. Vanwinkle and Vanwicklen). After his death, records show that their younger children were adopted by various nearby relatives and neighbors. George Sr. is stated as an Olden Township tenant farmer on a property abutting Jeorge Jr. in several Frontenac County directories up until 1888, but dissapears from the directory record of Olden Township property owners and tenants in 1894.

From this, it must be assumed that George Wellington (a.k.a. George W., Little George and George Jr.), although slightly older than his nephew George Sr., must have been smaller in stature and younger in appearance. The loose and somewhat improper use of "Junior" and "Senior" with these Georges, and the fact that they both had wives named Mary Ann, was and is confusing.

6. Aaron and Chark's unnamed father appears to be Samuel Veley, also spelled Samuel Wiele. There are sources that indicate that Samuel was born, probably shortly before 1788, in the Glenvale area of Kingston Township, Mecklenburg District, historic Province of Quebec. For now, it does not appear that Samuel was born in England. I would like more proof of Samuel's story.

7. Samuel Veley was apparently married to Lucinda Phillips in the Petworth area of Camden (East) Township, Addington County, Upper Canada. The Phillips surname is found in Scotland, and in many other places.

8. "Bounty jumping" was the practice of enlisting in an army, collecting the bonus, deserting, reenlisting, collecting another bonus, and so on. It was a very serious offense (George Washington reportedly ordered some men to receive up to 500 lashes), and many times, it was a capital offense. In the United States, the bonuses were paid in cash or land grants to enlistees during the French and Indian Wars, the Revolution and the War of 1812.

9. Some sources give Samuel Veley's father as (another) Aaron Veley. This Aaron was allegedly born in Wales or in Holland. This Aaron allegedly resided in England, in New England, and in 1785 the Glenvale area of Kingston Township with an unknown spouse. This Aaron apparently was a Quaker. This Aaron apparently died from injuries sustained when a tree limb fell on him while he was cutting down trees in 1815. I would like more proof of this Aaron Veley.

10. There is yet another Aaron Veley to be found in records. This Aaron (born about 1774 in Canada), apparently lived in Dutchess County, New York from about 1810 to 1830, in DeKalb County, Indiana in 1840, and in Jefferson County, Wisconsin, with his son Gilbert, in 1860. This is where he apparently died. This Aaron would be the right age to make him a sibling of the aforementioned Samuel. I would like more proof of this Aaron's story. This Aaron had another son, also named Aaron.

11. Dutchess County, New York is a Hudson River valley location where many Veleys of Dutch ancestry are known to have originally settled before the American Revolution. There are various variations on the spelling of the name (Viele, Vealey, etc.). It is an indication to me that some Veleys may have been compelled to migrate to Canada as Loyalists before and during the revolution. Veleys are found in the late 1700's and early 1800's in Frontenac, Lennox and Addington Counties, in the Mecklenburg District (later Upper Canada), an area where United Empire Loyalists were granted lands. There are many Veleys in the United States that I have not been able to prove are related. Any help would be appreciated.

Hollis F. Veley III

November 2013 (updated August 2014)

Sources

1. ↑ Edited by Joe Patterson, Replace any citation if there is another source.
2. ↑ A source for this information is needed.

• Hollis F. Veley III

November 2013 (updated August 2014)

• Veley Family Group Sheet

Posted 26 Sep 2009 by lilyreed44