Roger (Gyney) Geney

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NOTE: In some genealogies (apparently all going back to Francis Blomefield) this Roger is split into two people, an uncle and a nephew. The uncle, son of a Roger, would be the lord of Brandeston through his wife. The nephew, son of a William, would be the lord of Haveringland. All evidence so far discovered indicates that the son of William was lord of both Haveringland and Brandeston.

Although Brandeston and Haveringland were later held by two different branches of the Gyney family, at least until 1312 it was one person, Roger, who had "stews and several fisheries at Brandeston and Heverynglond, co. Norfolk".^[1][2]

In contrast to his Haveringland article (see Research notes), in his Brandeston Francis Blomefield wrote that Roger, husband of Margery Peche and ancestor of the Brandeston Gyneys, was the son of a William:^[3]

William Peche, son of Simon, was living in the reign of Edward I.; his daughter and heir brought it by marriage to Roger, 2d son of William de Gyney, who in the 10th of that King [1281/2], then a knight, was summoned to attend that King in his expedition into Wales. [This refers to William.]

Sir Roger, and Margery his wife, claimed in an assise, the advowson of the church of Brandeston, against Robert Fitz-Roger, which Simon Peche, his wife's grandfather, was possessed of. [when??]

In the 15th of the said King [1286/7], he claimed a weekly mercate on Friday, a fair on the decollation of St. John Baptist, and free warren.

He [Roger] was living in the 3d of Edward III. [1329/30] and Margery his widow in the 7th of that King [1333], settled by fine, on Thomas their son, a mill, with rents in these towns, and 4l. 2s. rents per ann

Similarly, under Boton, which was another manor which came from the Peche's, Blomefield reports a record of, "in 1285, Roger son of William de Gyney, and Margaret his wife".^[4]

However, the records show that also in the other older Gyney manors, such as Heveringland and Whitwell, William stops appearing, and Thomas starts appearing, around 1285. The records for Roger and his wife Margery appear to continue until about 1330, when he is replaced by William and Thomas, in different lands.

• In his Haveringland article, Blomefield cites documents involving William as lord from 1270/71 and 1283/4. He cites documentary evidence for Sir Roger as lord from 1286/7, 1299/1300, and 1315/16.^[5]
• In the Close Rolls of 1292 a from Norfolk Roger is described as "Roger de Gynney, son and heir of William de Gynney", presumably meaning that William was not so long dead, and perhaps that the debts under discussion went back to William's time.^[6]
• In 1293/4 Sir Roger de Gyney was lord of Heveringlond^[7]
• In 1297 Sir Roger de Gyney was summoned to a military council in Rochester. In 1298 and 1301 was Sir Roger de Gyney or Gyneto was summoned to perform military service in person in Scotland. In 1301 three writs were served for the counties of Cambridge and Huntingdon, Rutland, and Norfolk and Suffolk.^[8]
• In the 1314 Close Rolls Roger de Gyney is mentioned as holding four fees in Norwich, in Heverynglond, Whitewell, Baldeswell, Refham and Wychingham, with a yearly value of 20l.^[9]
• In 1322/23 Sir Roger de Gyney was lord of Heveringlond^[10]
• In 1323/24 Roger de Gyney and his wife Margery appear in a Norfolk fine.^[11]
• In 1331 Thomas the son of Roger de Gyney was in a fine making a claim to Margery de Gyney. And William son of Roger also made a claim.^[12] [Sir Roger appears to be dead.]
• In 1332 William de Gynay was lord of Heveringlond.^[13] [So the old Sir Roger was replaced by William in the lands of the main line.]
• In 1333 Thomas the son of Roger de Gyney made a claim to the wife of Roger de Gyney. And William son of Roger also made a claim. ^[14]

Research notes

Blomefield's version

In the account of Blomefield, there is a distinction made between two Rogers: one is the brother, and one is the son, of the William who was 30 in 1254 when he had seisin of an inheritance from his mother's Pelevill family. No justification has yet been found for dividing the Rogers of this period into two. There seems to be one Roger after William, and his estate was apparently not divided until after that Roger.

Blomefield's Heverland article therefore appears to be wrong:^[5]

Roger de Gisneia, lord of this manor in the 18th of Henry III [1233/34]. held of the honour of Gloucester and Clare, and extended into Wichingham, Whitwell, Kerdeston, &c.; this Roger levied a fine in the 33d of that King [1263/64], to Beringarius, prior of St. Faith's, of Horsham, the advowson of this church, and married Joan, daughter of - - - - - - - - - -, sister and coheir of Sir Peter de Pelevile, (who remarried Sir John de Vaux,) and by her had Sir William de Gyney, his son and heir, and Sir Roger, who married Margaret, daughter of William Peche, and in her right was lord of Brandeston;

Wife's family

Margery's Pecche family do not appear to be the main branch of Pecches in Norfolk, but they use similar names such as Simon. This seems to create a lot of confusion. However, we know that Margery's grandfather Simon was the son of a Jeffrey. (He was not, for example, one of the Gilberts.) See for example Ancient Deed number A.3002^[15]

A.3002. Grant by Simon son of Geoffrey Peche of Brantestune, to the prior and canons of Heveringlond in frank almoin, of the homage and service of Roger son of Thomas of Swifford, viz. 8d. and a capon yearly for land he holds of Simon in Heveringlond, part abutting on the highway from Brantestune to Norwich. Witnesses:—William de Gynet', Peter and Roger his brothers, John Launce, and others (named). Fragment of seal.

Also see Blomefield's remark under Boton:^[4]

The manor of Boton, and advowson, came to the Pecches, Jeffry and Simon Pecche his son had it, and William Pecche granted it to Roger de Gyneto, or Gyney, the moiety of the advowson, William Bartholomew and Fulk de Gyneto, being witnesses to it; the said William in 1205 having recovered part of it against Ralf and Eborard, sons of Simon, father of William, who presented to it, and were lords of Midleton's manor, and of Scot's part, which was now joined to Midleton's.

Sources

1. ↑ '1312, membranes 22d, 21d, 20d, 19d, 18d, 17d, 15d, 12d, 11d, 10d, 9d, 8d, 6d, 5d, 4d, 3d, 2d ', in Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II: Volume 1, 1307-1313, ed. H C Maxwell Lyte (London, 1894), pp. 469-478. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/series/calendar-of-patent-rolls-edward-ii/vol1/pp469-478 [accessed 22 September 2022].
2. ↑ Two entries here: '1312-13, membranes 24d, 23d, 22d, 21d, 20d, 19d, 18d, 17d, 16d, 15d, 14d, 13d, 12d, 11d, 10d, 9d, 8d, 7d, 6d, 5d, 4d, 3d, 2d, 1d ', in Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II: Volume 1, 1307-1313, ed. H C Maxwell Lyte (London, 1894), pp. 529-550. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/series/calendar-of-patent-rolls-edward-ii/vol1/pp529-550 [accessed 22 September 2022].
3. ↑ Francis Blomefield, 'Eynford Hundred: Brandeston and Guton', in An Essay Towards A Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Volume 8 (London, 1808), pp. 195-200. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol8/pp195-200 [accessed 18 September 2022].
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1} Francis Blomefield, 'Hundred of South Erpingham: Boton', in An Essay Towards A Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Volume 6 (London, 1807), pp. 352-359. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol6/pp352-359 [accessed 18 September 2022].
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1} Francis Blomefield, 'Eynford Hundred: Heverland', in An Essay Towards A Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: Volume 8 (London, 1808), pp. 226-234. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-hist-norfolk/vol8/pp226-234 [accessed 18 September 2022].
6. ↑ 'Close Rolls, Edward I: January 1292', in Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward I: Volume 3, 1288-1296, ed. H C Maxwell Lyte (London, 1904), pp. 248-253. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw1/vol3/pp248-253 [accessed 20 September 2022].
7. ↑ Ancient deeds. A.2781. A.2782. A.2784. A.2784. A.2788.
8. ↑ Parliamentary Writs, vol. 1, p.634.
9. ↑ 'Close Rolls, Edward II: December 1314', in Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward II: Volume 2, 1313-1318, ed. H C Maxwell Lyte (London, 1893), pp. 129-138. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/edw2/vol2/pp129-138 [accessed 19 September 2022].
10. ↑ A.2819
11. ↑ Short Calendar of the Feet of Fines for Norfolk,p.267
12. ↑ Short Calendar of the Feet of Fines for Norfolk p.285
13. ↑ Ancient Deed A.2741
14. ↑ Short Calendar of the Feet of Fines for Norfolk p.290
15. ↑ https://www.british-history.ac.uk/ancient-deeds/vol2/pp144-154