Lydia (Brockway) Paine
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Lydia (Brockway) Paine (abt. 1747 - abt. 1843)

Lydia Paine formerly Brockway aka Brockaway
Born about in Sharon, Litchfield, Connecticutmap
Ancestors ancestors
Daughter of and
Sister of , and
Wife of — married 9 Nov 1769 in Knibloe church, Amenia, Dutchess, New Yorkmap
Descendants descendants
Mother of , , , , , , , and
Died about at about age 96 in Nassau, Rensselaer, New Yorkmap
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Biography

Lydia Brockway, daughter of Wolston Brockway (1723–1813) and Dorcas Weeden (1720–1782), was born about 1747 (within the range 1745-1749, based upon her probable age at marriage). She was baptised as an adult on 28 December 1760 at Knibloe Church in Amenia Union, Dutchess County, Colony of New York. [1]

Two unsourced birthdates have been found for Lydia Brockway, to wit, the more likely 3 November 1747, [2] and the disproven 20 April 1755. [3] This latter date is that for Lydia daughter of Jedediah and Sarah Brockway of Lyme, Connecticut.

Lydia was wed to Smith Paine of Kent, Connecticut on 9 November 1769 at Knibloe Church, Amenia, Dutchess county, New York. [4] To this marriage were born: [5]

  1. Ruth (Paine) Griffith, 1770–1853;
  2. Amaziah Payne, 1772–1854;
  3. Abram Wheatin Payne, 1773–1861;
  4. Smith Paine, Jr., 1776–1850; [6]
  5. Nathaniel Payne, 1779–1806;
  6. Joseph Payne, 1780 (or 1788)–1867;
  7. Dorcas Paine, 1784–1850;
  8. Jira Payne, 1785–1864;
  9. Pamelia Payne, 1789–1813.

She died sometime after 1830 when she is found living alone in Nassau.[7]The inscription on her tombstone which does not give a death date reads "Lydia wife of Smith Payne age ?6 ???????" Although partially obscured it looks to be 96 giving a probable death year of 1843. [3]


Note on Amenia

There is a bit of confusion dealing with Amenia and it depends on the exact date. There was a dispute about the border between CT and NY from that time period and the area of Amenia, NY and Sharon, CT was once all part of CT. When portions of NY south of this area became part of CT, the portions of the Amenia area now west of the current border, called the Oblong,[8] were given to NY in compensation. For many years afterwards the exact location of the border was in dispute and did not always follow the straight line through that area we see today. Amenia Union, which is where the Knibloe church was located, literally straddles the border. The church may have been where the St Thomas Episcopal Church now stands. [9] The original church was built before 1755 and stood just twenty yards from the colonial border. It was called the Knibloe Church after it's first pastor, Rev Ebenezer Knibloe who was trained in Theology at Edinburgh, Scotland and came to America in 1752. Many of the original parishioners were from the farms just across the border in Sharon, Connecticut. [8]

Sources

  1. ↑ From The Brockway Family: some records of Wolston Brockway and his descendants: comp. for Francis E. Brockway [comp. by D. Williams Patterson] Oswego, N.Y. : L.L. Brockway's Power Print, 1890. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002015167399&view=1up&seq=45&q1=Lydia
  2. ↑ Ancestry.com Family Trees. Leonard Family Tree. Owner Mary Hallman Lydia Brockway
  3. ↑ 3.0 3.1 Find A Grave Lydia Brockway Payne
  4. ↑ New York City, Compiled Marriage Index, 1600s-1800s, Ancestry.com. Text: "Name: Smith Pain; Spouse Name: Lydia Brockaway; Marriage Date: 1769; Marriage Place: Amenia, Dutchess, New York; Marriage ID: 45 0000534; Other Comments: On microfilm at Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah; Source: The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record (quarterly), 1902, selected extracts; Publisher: New York Genealogical and Biographical Society; Publication Place: New York, NY; Page: 48."
  5. ↑ This list is based upon "Ancestry.com Family Trees. Leonard Family Tree. Owner Mary Hallman"
  6. ↑ 1800 U.S. Federal Census of Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York. Txt: "Name: Smith Paine Jr.; Home in 1800 (City, County, State): Greenbush, Rensselaer, New York; Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1; Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1; Free White Persons - Males - 26 thru 44: 1; Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 2; Free White Persons - Females - 26 thru 44: 1; Number of Household Members Under 16: 3; Number of Household Members Over 25: 2; Number of Household Members: 6." Note: On 13 Dec 2020 Mike Dobson wrote in a comment at this profile: "I do not believe the Smith Paine in Greenbrush in 1800 is this Smith Paine. Rather it is his son. The 1800 Census records his name as Smith Paine Jr. The oldest male in the household is listed as 26-44, too young for this Smith Paine but a match to his son."
  7. ↑ 1830 US Federal Census of Nassau, Rensselaer, New York. Txt: "Name Pane, Lydia Free White Persons - Females - 80-89 : 1; Total Free White Persons: 1; Total All Persons - (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored); 1."
  8. ↑ 8.0 8.1 Early History of Amenia by Newton Reed pp 39-40. 1875 De Lacey and Wiley Printers, Amenia, NY
  9. ↑ Mike Dobson's Comment of 14 Dec 2020 at this profile.

Acknowledgements

Thanks to Albertus for creating WikiTree profile Lydia Brockway on 5 July 2019. Click to the Changes Page for the details of edits by Albertus, Mike and others.





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Lydia Brockway Paine & Ruth Paine Griffith's Gravestone
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Dobson-4309 Mike Dobson
Persistence pays off. Here is the information we need: Baptised (as an adult) Knibloe Church, Sharon, Litchfield, Ct 28 Dec 1760. Married there in the evening Samuel Paine of Kent, Conn, 9 Nov 1769. Daughter of Wolston and Dorcas (Wheden) Brockway.

From "The Brockway Family: some records of Wolston Brockway and his descendants: comp. for Francis E. Brockway [comp. by D. Williams Patterson]" Oswego, N.Y. : L.L. Brockway's Power Print, 1890.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002015167399&view=1up&seq=45&q1=Lydia

There is a bit of confusion dealing with Amenia and it depends on the exact date. There was a dispute about the border between CT and NY from that time period and the area of Amenia, NY and Sharon, CT was once all part of CT. When portions of NY south of this area became part of CT, the portions of the Amenia area now west of the current border were given to NY in compensation. Amenia Union, which is where the church was located, literally straddles the border. The church may have been where the St Thomas Episcopal Church now stands.

As for the death date, it may still be 1813, There were quite a few deaths in Schodach-Nassau in Oct, Nov and Dec 1813.

Mike

posted by Mike Dobson
edited by Mike Dobson
Fuller-5187 Albertus Robert Casimir (Fuller) Jung
Thank you, Mike! I have added the information to the profile, and included your comment. I am now using before 28 December 1760 as her birth date, i.e., before her adult baptismal date, even though an adult baptismal date does not normally stand in for a birthdate. But, seeing that this date is the earliest known reference to her, we have no other date to go by: we could use either before 28 Dec 1760 or leave her birthdate blank.
posted by Albertus Robert Casimir (Fuller) Jung
edited by Albertus Robert Casimir (Fuller) Jung
Dobson-4309 Mike Dobson
I think the easiest way to deal with her birth is to use the standard that she would have been married in her early 20s as that is the most common age we see back then. So using 20-24 as a likely range then 1745-1749 are the most probable years for her birth. We can definitely rule out the 1755 date as that is proven to belong to the daughter of Jedediah and Sarah Brockway of Lyme.
posted by Mike Dobson
Fuller-5187 Albertus Robert Casimir (Fuller) Jung
Lydia's husband Smith Paine was born in Jan 1747. Lydia was baptised in 1760 as an adult. I doubt that she was older than her husband: that happened, but not often. These are my sister-in-laws ancestors. In my own family tree (all branches) the women married earlier than 20-24, usually at 18 years of age. Let us say that she was born within the range that you give, about 1747, same year as her husband Smith Paine, then she was thirteen years old when baptised (not an infant, but neither an adult). Perhaps then the birthdate given for her by Ancestry.com Trees - 3 November 1747 - is correct ?! I think that i shall use the date About 1747. That should satisfy all criteria!
posted by Albertus Robert Casimir (Fuller) Jung
edited by Albertus Robert Casimir (Fuller) Jung
Dobson-4309 Mike Dobson
I agree with you on the dates. Perhaps as an adult is not the best wording but close enough. She almost certainly would be considered old enough by the church to consent to being baptised and that would make her an adult for religious purposes. Her parents were only baptised in Nov of that year. I do believe by 1760 the NY-CT state line had been established as it now stands placing the location of the church in Amenia NY by then. So the Brockway baptisms were in Amenia not as I misstated as Sharon, CT. The Brockway farm was located in Sharon, CT only 2 miles from the church in Amenia. NY. The text of the Brockway genealogy is not clear on that point. For her children, only the 3 oldest are recorded as being baptised in the church in Amenia. Whether the family was living in Amenia or on the farm with her father in Sharon is not known. However, Smith Paine is not among the Paine residents of Amenia who took the Oath of Allegiance in 1776. It is hard to tell when they arrived in Schodack but the latest is 1790. I am inclined to believe all children beginning with Smith Jr were born in Schodack as Abram Wheaton was the last recorded as baptised in the Amenia church in 1774 making him born then or 1773. The 1850 Census for him has 1773.
posted by Mike Dobson
edited by Mike Dobson
Dobson-4309 Mike Dobson
Hello Albertus,

Lydia is proving a real challenge to me. The only Lydia Brockway in the Connecticut records b 20 Apr 1755 is the daughter of Jedediah and Sarah of Lyme. She is presumably the Lydia who married Stephen Huntley 27 Nov 1777 , died 14 Mar 1815 and is buried with him in Sherburne, Chenango, NY. The known marriage date of 1769 would make someone born 1755 14 years old when married which would be very unusual even for the Colonial Period as most women were in their 20s when married. Two other Lydia Brockways born in CT were either too old (1709) or too young (1763) to be Smith's wife. I do not know where the 14 May 1813 death date comes from. It's hard to make out on the picture of the gravestone recording the death of Lydia wife of Smith Payne but it looks like age 96 years but no date. This is on the same tombstone as Ruth Paine, wife of Joshua Griffith and sister to Smith. I am wondering of both women died on the same day.

posted by Mike Dobson
Fuller-5187 Albertus Robert Casimir (Fuller) Jung
The two women might well have died on the same day in 1813. Smith Paine also died in 1813. They could have all succumbed to a plague, or a deadly influenza. I have found two birth dates for Lydia Brockway. Her name seems to be certain, as does her marriage date and burial place. Since i am not sure (lacking primary sources) of her birth date, i have now left that blank. It is unfortunate that we cannot read when she died and how old she was at death: the gravestone is unreadable to me from the word aged... onwards. Her husband's gravestone is much more readable.
posted by Albertus Robert Casimir (Fuller) Jung
Dobson-4309 Mike Dobson
The death date for Ruth just above Lydia's name is clearly 27 Dec 1853. If both women died the same day, age 96 would make her born 1757 an impossible date for a marriage in 1769 so I now doubt they died the same day. The alternate birth of 3 Nov 1747 seems the more realistic of the two. Another date for her birth is 7 Jan 1746/7 from other ancestry.com trees. Based on a 1747 birth her age in 1813 would have been 66 which is clearly not the case. While the first number after the word age is partially obscured, the second is almost certainly a 6. I'll do some more searching in the records but I am not confident about finding anything.
posted by Mike Dobson
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