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Sybil ferch Madoc (abt. 1420 - abt. 1444)

Sybil ferch Madoc
Born about in Llanthony, Monmouthshire, Walesmap
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[sibling(s) unknown]
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Died about at about age 24 in Gwent, Walesmap [uncertain]
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This person is part of a false pedigree of William Arnold, the immigrant to New England, created by Horatio G. Somerby in 1870. Individual parts of the pedigree may be correct, but many of the parts are incorrect and false.

NOTE: 'verch' means 'daughter of', so Sybil's LNAB is verch Madoc = 'daughter of Madoc'. The counterpoint for a son is 'ap'. This was common in Welsh history (in lieu of surnames) until King Henry VIII decreed that everyone should have a surname.

Somerby Biography

Arnholt ap Arnholt Vychan, Esq. married Sybil verch ("daughter of") Madoc (ap Einon ap Thomas).[1][2]

Son: Roger Arnold[1][2]

Rejection of the Somerby Biography

From Wikipedia:
In 1870, genealogist Horatio G. Somerby compiled a pedigree[3] of the Arnold family. This pedigree, showed William Arnold as son of a Thomas Arnold and a descendant of a 12th-century King of Gwentland (in modern day Wales) whose name was Ynir. In 1915, Edson S. Jones on checking Somerby's information with his sources, discovered discrepancies in dates and places, mixed up generations and unrelated people. "This fabricated research was not an isolated incident; Mr. Somerby had also been implicated in other fraudulent research and was out to please his clients regardless of the veracity of his work"[4]

From Anderson's Great Migration:
In 1915 Edson Salisbury Jones published a brief account[5] of his research into the ancestry of immigrant William Arnold (NEHGR 69:64-69), which showed the problems of the supposed pedigree done by Somerby, which did not have the correct father or location of William Arnold the immigrant. Anderson states unequivocally, "The pedigree prepared by Somerby is completely erroneous, and William Arnold came from Ilchester, Somerset"[6]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 "Arnold" hosted by rootsweb
  2. 2.0 2.1 Drowne, Henry T. (communicator). "Mr. Somerby's Genealogy of the Arnold Family" New England Hist. and Gen. Register. 33:432. 1879.
  3. ”Mr. Somerby’s Genealogy of the Arnold Family. New England Historical and Genealogical Register 33:432 Link at Google Books
  4. 'The false pedigree of the Arnold family' in the Wikipedia article "William Arnold (settler)"
  5. Jones, Edson Salisbury. "The Parentage of William Arnold and Thomas Arnold of Providence, R. I." New England Historical and Genealogical Register 69:64 Link at Archive.org
  6. Great Migration 1634-1635, A-B. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.) Originally published as: The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume 1, A-B, by Robert Charles Anderson, George F. Sanborn, Jr., and Melinde Lutz Sanborn. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999. William Arnold article p. 84; comments p.89 American Ancestors (pay site)






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The LNAB should be verch Madoc ( daughter of Madoc) She possibly did not change her name on marriage as Wales was matralinial at that time, but is she did it would not be to verch Arnholt as she was not the daughter of Arnholt.

The proposed merge has the name even worse stating she is ap Arnholt, (son of Arnholt!) The LNAB should be changed before the merge.

posted on Madoc-25 (merged) by [Living Geleick]

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