"United States Census, 1910," database with images, (FamilySearch Record: ML9N-DH3 : accessed 26 February 2024) FamilySearch Image: 33S7-9RNB-56V, Charley J Helms (48), married head of household in South Monroe, Union, North Carolina, United States. Born in North Carolina; citing Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); Affiliate Publication Number: T624; Digital film/folder number: 004973140; FHL microfilm: 1375147; Image number: 669; Sheet number: 19; Sheet letter: A; Packet letter: A; Indexing batch: N03550-6.
Charlie James Helms on the Find-a-Grave website. Data uploaded 5 September 2009 by Find-a-Grave contributor "DSM".
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I hope you won't mind that I've done a bit of research on the man in this profile. Helms is my maternal line and I'm always curious when I see the name pop up. I didn't find any connection to my Helms twig but I did find this 1910 Census record that has Charles, Annie, and most of the children. It includes their birth states. It would be helpful to avoid duplicates by others if you added the info to the data on their profiles.
"United States Census, 1910," database with images, (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ML9N-DH3 and image https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RNB-56V : accessed 25 February 2024), Charley J Helms (48), married head of household in South Monroe, Union, North Carolina, United States. Born in North Carolina; citing Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); Affiliate Publication Number: T624; Enumeration District 127; Sheet number: 19; Sheet letter: A; Digital film/folder number: 004973140; FHL microfilm: 1375147; Image number: 669
Debi - granddaughter of Martin L Helms, Mecklenburg and Union counties, North Carolina.
I don't understand why you think I might mind that you've done a bit of research on this man. But (1) there are lots of things I don't understand and (2) I am more than delighted that you've found something that appears to corroborate and expand what we know.
Would you mind adding a reference to the census as a source note, please? And thank you.
Be well
Charles
Thanks, Charles. I've added the source to the profile and updated the birth location. My posting a comment, rather that editing first, was for two reasons
because the profile was so new. Past experience has led me to be cautious in that situation.
because the data would be changed per the communication before editing guideline. Censuses can be wrong and I wanted you to have a chance to review before I updated.
2. I share your cautioon about census data. Of course. More than error prone. Clearly each instance needs to be evaluated individually in terms of plausibility. But where the net effect is corroborative and there are no obvious discrepancies arising, then the net synergistic impact generally becomes positive, methinks.
3. I am also cautious about the online mass-market (quasi-/)commercial websites more generally. It is so easy to type in something wrong, and what appears at first glance to be corroboration can often be nothing more corroboratory than one fellow copying stuff from a transcription of a transcription of a transciption on LDS to a ditto on Ancestry or vice versa. Nevertheless, I do think Ancestry, LDS and Find-a-Grave have becoming less unreliable than they were ten years ago. Most genealogy nuts - I venture to include myself - are most of the time able to temper enthusiasm with the necessary blend of care, caution and common sense when assessing the reliability of a piece of data. But ... not all. Indeed.
I hope you won't mind that I've done a bit of research on the man in this profile. Helms is my maternal line and I'm always curious when I see the name pop up. I didn't find any connection to my Helms twig but I did find this 1910 Census record that has Charles, Annie, and most of the children. It includes their birth states. It would be helpful to avoid duplicates by others if you added the info to the data on their profiles.
Debi - granddaughter of Martin L Helms, Mecklenburg and Union counties, North Carolina.
I don't understand why you think I might mind that you've done a bit of research on this man. But (1) there are lots of things I don't understand and (2) I am more than delighted that you've found something that appears to corroborate and expand what we know. Would you mind adding a reference to the census as a source note, please? And thank you. Be well Charles
edited by Charles Hillman
I hope you have a great day, Debi
1. Makes sense
2. I share your cautioon about census data. Of course. More than error prone. Clearly each instance needs to be evaluated individually in terms of plausibility. But where the net effect is corroborative and there are no obvious discrepancies arising, then the net synergistic impact generally becomes positive, methinks.
3. I am also cautious about the online mass-market (quasi-/)commercial websites more generally. It is so easy to type in something wrong, and what appears at first glance to be corroboration can often be nothing more corroboratory than one fellow copying stuff from a transcription of a transcription of a transciption on LDS to a ditto on Ancestry or vice versa. Nevertheless, I do think Ancestry, LDS and Find-a-Grave have becoming less unreliable than they were ten years ago. Most genealogy nuts - I venture to include myself - are most of the time able to temper enthusiasm with the necessary blend of care, caution and common sense when assessing the reliability of a piece of data. But ... not all. Indeed.
Best wishes
Charles