John Kinsey (abt. 1583 - aft. 1619)

Born about Oct 1583 in Goostrey, Cheshire, England

Ancestors

Husband of Jane Hawmone — married 11 Feb 1599 in Llandinam, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Descendants

Died after 1619 after about age 35 in Dethyenith Farm, Llandinam, Montgomeryshire, Wales [uncertain]

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Biography

John Kinsey was born in Goostrey, Cheshire, England.

John Kinsey, son of John Kinsey and Anne (Unknown) Kinsey, was baptised on 20 Oct 1583 at St Luke’s Church, Goostrey, Cheshire, England the ancestral seat of the Kinsey family of Cheshire, England ^[1]

John Kinsey married Jane Hawmone on 11 Feb 1599 at St Llonio’s Church, Llandinam, Montgomeryshire, Wales.They settled at Dethyenith Farm, near Llandinam, Montgomeryshire, Wales, about 90 miles from Blackden, Goostrey, Cheshire, England ^[2]

The couple had 7 children in the next 19 years:

1. Thomas KINSEY b: April 1598 in Dethyenith Farm, Llandinam, Montgomeyshire, Wales
2. Edmund Kinsey b: about 1602
3. William Kinsey b: about 1605
4. John Kinsey b: about 1607
5. Morris Kinsey b: about 1611
6. Margaret Kinsey b: about 1614
7. Maud Kinsey b: about 1616 in Dethyenith Farm, Llandinam, Montgomeryshire, Wales

John Kinsey died after 1619 probably at Dethyenith Farm, Llandinam, Montgomeryshire, Wales, mentioned in his father’s Will of 1619 ^[3]

Research Notes

John Kinsey was the ancestor to the Welsh Kinsey family to which Mr. Ronald Stuart Kinsey of Cardiff, Wales, belongs. He has discovered that the Kinseys of early Colonial Pennsylvania have the same descent. The prevalence of the name Ralph in both branches and their use of the Blackden arms, argue in favor of his statements^[4]

"Philip Kinsey of :Lower Peover, probably identical with Phioip whom Ormerod calls of Blackden, had two sons, Philip and Ralph, and a gradson John."^[4]

Mentioned in fathers will, 1619

Sources

1. ↑ Baptism: "Cheshire, England, Parish Registers, 1538-1909"
   Church of England. Record Office; Chester, England
   Ancestry uk Record 61760 #986477 (accessed 29 August 2022)
   John Kinsie baptism on 20 Oct 1583 in Goostrey-cum-Barnshaw, Cheshire, England.
2. ↑ Marriage: "Montgomeryshire Marriages And Banns"
   FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 31 August 2022)
   John Kynsie marriage to Jane Hawmone on 11 Feb 1599 in Llandinam, Montgomeryshire, Wales.
3. ↑ Will Prerogative Court of Canterbury 1605 - 1619, John Kinsie or Kynsie of Llandinam, Montgomeryshire. Reference PROB 11/134/368 National Archieves Image of Will (accessed 29 Jul 2022)
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1} "History of the Bye Family and Some Allied Families," by Arthur Edwind Bye,. Researched by Frances Waite. Published by Correll Printing Co., Easton, Pennsylvania, USA, 1956.

See Also:

• Take some of the information below with a "pinch of salt" as it is mostly Unproven.
• Source: S490437190 Author: Authur Edwind Bye,. Researched by Frances Waite Note: #SN490437190 Publication: Correll Printing Co., Eaton, PA Title: History of the Bye Family and Some Allied Families

Note SN490437190Kinsey of Cheshire and of Buckingham Pennsylvania with Crew

This comes from the book, "History of the Bye Family and Some Allied Families", by Arthur Edwind Bye,. Researched by Frances Waite:

Kinsey of Cheshire and of Buckingham Pennslvania with Crew

The name Kinsey is of Saxon origin, derived from the Anglo-Saxon "Cynesige", meaning "Noble Victor", thus the family of Kinsey does not trace its lineage to any Norman overlords. Yet, as is not often the case with noble English families, we find the name as early as the tenth century. Kynsy was bishop of Litchfield A.D. 960. And in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle it is recorded that Kinsey held the bishopric of York, 1053 and 1060. "And Kinsey" so the Chronicle runs, "Archbishop of York, departed in the Kalends of January and lies at Peterborough." 1060.

In post-conquest times the family was evidently obscure, but in the fourtheenth century they were becoming locally prominent. We find a record of the year 1387 which states that Thomas, son of Robert Kynsy of Lostock Granham, was among the grantees of land. From this time on the names of Robert and John are frequent in the family.

➤In 1398, Robert, Thomas and William Kinsey were living at Blackden. This is a small township, omitted in Doomsday, and apparently deriving its name from a wooded dean or valley southeast of Goostrey. It most probably was included at an early date in Goostrey, and appears to be the same with that fourth part of the said vill, which after being granted by Lidulph de Twemlowe to his younger son, Michael, continued as the seat of his decendants, who assumed this local name.

➤In 1400, Thomas, son of William Kinsey of the Lee, is mentioned.

➤In 1442, Thomas Kinsey was collector of a subisdy in Northwich Hundred, Cheshire, and in 1488-1502 William Kinsey was the same.

➤The prominence of the Kinsey family in Blackden dates from the time of Robert, who, about 1498 married the heiress of the ancient Goostree family. As the Goostree pedigree goes back to the time of the Conquest, we will insert it here.

Arms of Goostrey of Goostrey: Argent, a chevron between three squirrels sejant gules (Sejant gules= Red in color and up on their hind legs).

These are the arms also of the ancient family ot Twmlowe of Twemlowe, and of Knots of Twemlowe. This indicates that these two families, as well as the Goostreys, originated in the same place.

1. Wulfric, a Saxon was lord of Croxton under Ormus de Tuchett in the time of Edward

the Confessor; it is thought he was a kinsman of William fitz Nigel, baron of Halton.

2. Waltheof fitz NNigel, his son, was father of,

3. Lieulph, or Lidulph, de Croxton, whos son,

4. Lidulph II was living in the reighs of Richard I and Johan. He had five sons:

I. Richard, lord of Croxton

II. Rovert, lord of Winington

III. Michael

IV. Gilbert

V. Warin de Clyve

5. Michael interited Goostrey, anciently spelled Gostre, and was living in the reign of Edward I.

6. Thomaas de Goostrey, his son, living in the reigh of Edward II, married Alianore, daughter of William Mainwaring, lord of Peover, decended from Hugh de Bayeux, and had,

➤7. Willaiam de Goostre of Blackden, who married Alice, aughter of Rovbert Hadley, and had,

➤ I. Annis, who married

➤9. Robert Kinsey of Blackden

II Alice, who married Jack Snelsome

➤10. William Kinsey, son of Robert and Annis, was a minor in 1498. He was a coheir of the Goostrey estates and had two sons:

➤ I. John

➤ II. Philip

From this time we find three families of Kinsey seated at Blackden. The above-mentioned William Kinsey, born about 1498, had a son who continued the elder line,

11. John Kinsey, of Blackden, who was the father of,

12 William Kinsey, of Blackden, who married in 1593, Jane, daughter of James Knotsford of Twemlowe, and had,

13. Thomas Kinsey, of Blackden, gentleman, who by his marriage with Katherine... had two daughters, coheiresses.

I. Margery, who married Thomas Baskerville of Old Withington and Blackden, born at Goostrey, March 2 1590. He was the ancestor of the Baskervilles of Virginia.

II. Alice, who married Hugh Holingshed of Heywood, gentleman.

With these co-heiresses the elder line inheriting hte Goostree estates came to an end.

The second branch was founded by Philip Kinsey of Blackden, living c. 1550-1575, son of William, who had a great-grandson,

John Kinsey, who was aged 78 in 1663. He had a grandson, John Kinsey, who was living at the Visitations of the Heralds in 1663-64, aged 24.

In 1621 (July 27th) s Philip Kinsey, undoubtedly of this family, married Elizabeth Deane. (Cheshire Marriage Licenses).

The third branch of the Kinseys was represented by a John Kinsey who, about 1660 married Elizabeth, coheiress and aunt of Jonathan Eaton of Blackden. The arms of Goostrey were borne by this branch, as well as the arms of Eaton.

Arms of Eaton: Quartlerly, argent and gules, a cross patonce counterchanged, in the first quarter a mullet gules. Ormerod states that the above-mentioned John Kinsey, living 1660, was probably a cescendant of Robert and Annis Goostree Kinsey, as the arms of Goostree quartered by the said John indicates. About 1686 Thomas Kinsey,, squire of Blackden, married Anne, daughter of Thomas Swettendon, or Swettenham.

Another branch of htis family was seated at Lower Peover and Middlewich. Lower Peover is five miles west of Blackden.

September 30, 1620, Ralfe Kinsey of Lower Peover married Jand Chester at Middlewich. From this time i]on, the name of Ralph was preserved in the family. dorothy Kinsey of the same place, married Octover 3, 1628, Philip Wright, Ralph Kinsey of Lower Peover being her bondsman.

11. Philip kinsey of Lower Peover, probably identical with Philip whom Prmerod calls of Blackden, had two sons:

I. Philip

II Ralph, probably the Ralph, or the father of Ralph, who married Jane Chester in 1620.

And a grandson, John.

For the following connection, we are indebted to Mr. Ronald Stuart Kinsey of Cardiff, Wales, who is descended from this family, and who has discovered that the Kinseys of Pennsylvania have the same descent. The prevalence of the name Ralph in both branches and their use of hte Blackden arms, argues in favor of his statements. A Ralph Kinsey of London was a purchaser, October 29, 1681, of 125 acres of land from William Penn in Pennsylvania. His eldest son and heir, John Kinsey of London, sold the same and as far as we know did not come over to America.

13. John Kinsey, grandson of Philip above mentioned, whether the son of Philip or Ralph is not stated, but probably the son of Ralph, settled in Wales at a place called Dethyenith Farm, Llandinam, Montgomeryshire, Wales, about 30-40 miles from Blackden, and was the ancestor to the Welsh family to which Mr. Ronald Stuart Kinsey belongs. He died 1619 leaving a will from which it appears he had five sons and two daughters.

Acknowledgments

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