Redmond
"2nd Baronet of Knockagh"
Morres
Born about in Ireland
Ancestors 
Son of John Morres
and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of
Ellice Wall
— married
before 1620 [location unknown]
Descendants 
Father of
John Morres Bt and Hervey Morres
Died
at about age 55
in Ireland
Profile last modified
| Created 25 Jul 2020
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Biography
Sir Redmond Morres, 2nd Baronet, was the son of John Morres and Katherine Walsh.
He married Ellice Wall[1][2] (daughter of Garret Wall of Coolnamucky Castle,[3] County Waterford) and they had 3 sons and 7 daughters, including:
- John (3rd Baronet)
- Hervey
- Edmond[4] (died childless)
- Margaret
- Anastacia,[5]
- Elinor[6]
- Ellice[7]
- Helen
- Mary
- Catherine[8]
Family Connections
While the family pedigree covering the 1200s to the 1700s is generally well regarded (notably the extensive research of Eric St. John Brooks[9]), earlier links (ca.1100s) to the French house of Montmorency by another family historian -- well-known author, Francophile, United Irishman, and Austrian army officer Col. Hervey Morres (1767-1839) -- were later disputed, although family members were permitted to use "Montmorency" in their peerage titles in 1815.[10] Any family research prior to the 1100s should be cross-examined before adding members to the family tree.[11][12]
Putting aside the Montmorency dispute pre-1200, here is what we can ascertain about Sir Redmond Morres, 2nd Baronet (1595-1650):
- He descended from the well-documented Anglo-Norman "de Marisco" family[13] which arrived in Ireland in the early 1200s with Geoffrey de Marisco, Justiciar of Ireland.
- He was 4 generations below Sir John Morres (born bef. 1440), knighted at the Battle of Wakefield in 1460 by James Butler, 5th Earl of Ormond and buried at Holy Cross Abbey, County Tipperary.[14][15]
- Chief families since the English invasion in Kilkenny: Butler, Grace,[16] Walsh,[17] Fitzgerald, Roth,[18] Archer,[19] Cantwell,[20] Shortall [Forstall],[21] Purcell,[22] Power, Morris, Dalton or d'Alton,[23] Stapleton, Wandesford, Lawless, Langrish, Bryan, Ponsonby.[24]
- The book Irish Pedigrees: The Origin & Stem of the Irish Nation considers Morris, Morrison, Morrissey to be variations on the same surname with the same coat of arms.[25] Ancestrally the name has known many variations, including MacMuirios and O'Murfeasa, and in more recent centuries has been anglicised to MacMorris, Morris, Morrisey, Morishy, Morrison.[26]
Sources
- Circular 5-storey castle of Knockagh, about 3 km southwest of Templemore, County Tipperary:
- Eric St. John Brooks, "The Family of Marisco", published in The Journal of the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland, 7th Series, Vol.1, No.2 (31 Dec 1931), pp.89-112. Mostly deals with pre-1400 events, but the last page mentions Redmond Morres' direct ancestors John Morres of Templemore (1490-1562) and his son Sir Redmond Morres (1552-1624):
- Hervey de Montmorency-Morres, Genealogical Memoir of the Family of Montmorency, 592 pages, published 1817, ISBN 134133841X:
- Hervey de Montmorency-Morres (1767-1839), author of the above family genealogy, had a long and interesting tour of duty as a military officer in Continental Europe. There is a detailed review of his life in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography:
- ↑ The surname Wale is variously spelled Val, Vale, Wall in other documents of the time.
- ↑ Ellice's Wall sister Ellen married Richard Butler of Rorane, son of Piers Butler of Nodstown, who was grandson of James Butler, 9th Earl of Ormond. The husbands of the 2 sisters were related, the common Butler/Morres ancestor being Sir John Morres (born ca.1430s).
- ↑ A modern photo of Coolnamuck Castle and a map pinpointing its location, midway between the towns of Clonmel and Waterford. From the website "Irish Castles":
- ↑ Possibly the same "Edmond Morresse", gentleman, named on p.316 of the 1659 Census of Ireland.
- ↑ Named for her great-grandmother, Anastacia O'Mulryan
- ↑ Named for her grandmother, Eleanor Cantwell.
- ↑ Named for her mother, Ellice Wall.
- ↑ Named for her maternal grandmother, Caterina Comerford.
- ↑ For more information on the De Marisco family, see the following research by Eric St. John Brooks:
- "The Family of Marisco." The Journal of the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland, 7th Series, Vol.1, No.2 (31 Dec 1931), pp.89-112.
- "The Family of Marisco." The Journal of the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland, vol. 1, no. 1, 1931, pp. 22–38.
- "The Family of Marisco." The Journal of the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland, vol. 2, no. 1, 1932, pp. 50–74.
- ↑ "In 1815 certain members of the Morres family, who were descended from Hervey Morres of Castlemorres, Co. Kilkenny (1625-1724) were by royal license allowed to "re-assume their ancient and original surname of Montmorency."
- Conleth Manning, "Hervey Morres and the Montmorency Imposture", History Ireland, vol.28, no.2 (2020), pp.22–25. Accessed 10 Feb. 2021.
- ↑ J.H. Round questions the family's Montmorency origins in his book "Feudal England: Historical Studies on the 11th and 12th Centuries", first published 1895, no publishing house listed. See the 1909 edition, p.392, available online here:
- ↑ To paraphrase a modern historian (2020): Central to Hervey Morres' argument is his assertion that his ancestor, the Justiciar of Ireland Geoffrey de Marisco (ca.1170-1245), was brother to Hervey de Montmorency of the well-known French family. The author states that this fraternal connection is "quite simply untrue".
- Conleth Manning, "Hervey Morres and the Montmorency Imposture", History Ireland, vol.28, no.2 (2020), pp.22–25. Accessed 10 Feb. 2021.
- ↑ Henry Colburn, A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerage and Baronetage of the British Empire, published 1839, p.745. The book details the family lineage, generation by generation, back to the Montmorency family in France prior to William the Conqueror.
- ↑ Ormond Deeds of land & legal transactions:
- ↑ Hervey de Montmorency-Morres
- ↑ "The Graces of Courtstown", from Rev. Carrigan's History of the Diocese of Ossory (1905):
- ↑ http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~walsh/
- ↑ https://sites.rootsweb.com/~irlkik/ksurnam2.htm#rothe
- ↑ "The Archer Family: Early Documented History":
- ↑ "The Cantwells of Cantwellscourt", from Rev. Carrigan's History of the Diocese of Ossory (1905):
- ↑ "The Forrestall Family: Early Documented History"
- ↑ "The Purcell Family: Early Documented History"
- ↑ The family name was variously spelled Daton, D'autun, Dalton, d'Alton, Datoun:
- ↑ John O'Hart, Irish Pedigrees: The Origin & Stem of the Irish Nation, (P. Murphy & Son, New York, 1915), p.844
- ↑ John O'Hart, p.11A, p. 18A
- ↑ John O'Hart, p.595
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