Thomas
Roscelyn
aka Rosceline
Born about in Norfolk, England
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
[spouse(s) unknown]
Descendants 
Father of
Piers (Roscelyn) de Roscelyn
Died [date unknown]
[location unknown]
Profile last modified
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Biography
Sir Thomas, the next heir, in 1265 had free warren in all his demesne lands at Edisfield, Walcote, Norton, Heckingham, Drayton, Tasburgh, and Redlington, in Norfolk; and his son Sir Peter was summoned to parliament among the barons of the realm in 1293. This summons was, however, never repeated, either to him or his posterity. His son and successor, another Sir Thomas, joined the confederacy of the barons against the Despencers, and thereby lost his estates, which were seized by the Crown; but they were restored by Edward III. He died without issue, prior to 13 Ed. III., and his inheritance came to his six sisters and coheirs: Margery, married to John de Champaine; Alice, to Sir William Daye; Joan, to John Lord Willoughby of Eresby: Maud, to Sir Robert Tiffin: Mary, to Sir John Camois, and another, whose name is lost, to Ralph de Bokenham. [1]
Sources
- ↑ Cleveland, Duchess of. The Battle Abbey Roll With Some Account of the Norman Lineages. Vol. III, John Murray, London, 1889, pp. 76-77. [1]
Acknowledgments
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Note the latter portion of the bio paragraph identifies "his son and successor, another Sir Thomas" as the SON OF PIERS; not the son of this first Thomas. We know that is true because that latter Thomas dies without heirs and his sister is a co-heir. Which we quote verbatim in this bio para.
Thus, we deduce these Roselins were:
1. Sir Thomas NN; living 1265, prob. dead bef. 1293 (NOT a Thomas I).
2. Sir Piers FitzThomas; MP, but not a baron (NOT a Thomas II).
3. Sir Thomas FitzPiers; rebel, dsp bef. 13EdIII (NOT a Thomas II/III).
4. Joan (among others) FitzThomas m. Willoughby
Also, since our cited source is apparently:
http://www.1066.co.nz/Mosaic%20DVD/library/Battle%20Roll/battle_abbey_roll3/battle_abbey_roll3.html#subchap46
... if believe this source enough to base our entire pedigree on it (which we're already doing!) then, we MIGHT also add what it says for generation above:
0. William FitzRoselin of Edgefield; allowing us to rename his son.
1. Sir Thomas FitzWilliam FitzRoselin (Roselin, Roscelyn)
And speculatively we COULD add the generation above that as (-1) Roselin FitzOsbert, putatively a knight under Hubert de Rie; and Roselin's patronymic implies his Norman father is a certain (-2) Osbert NN.
But, absent definitive primary sources, personally I choose to disbelieve the asserted Carolingian descent from the Battle Roll page, which sounds like typical Norman Pedigree Whitewash / Victorian hogswallop, when everybody was miraculously found (after paying a mercenary genealogist?) to be the indisputable son of Charlemagne, Gunnora, and the Conqueror or some such claptrap. Personally, if I were the profile manager for this line, I'd work hard to source up the "patriarch" Roselin, and stop there.
I'd also be very curious to prove they use Roselin/Roscelyn as a straight family name, as opposed to FitzRoselin, or the more likely simple patronymics. Is there some reason to believe they were known collectively by their one ancestor's name, through these 150+ years? If so, why? They're not say, the Geraldines.