Brevard Nisbet claims and docs

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work in progress using this a place to collect true and not true

Contents 1 Y-DNA 2 Claimed Property 3 Publications 4 Children 5 CAUTION: 6 Claimed/Disputed 7 Research Notes 8 IMAGES 9 Sources

Y-DNA

Possibly an Irish branch Y-DNA matches Nesbitt in Tyrone Ireland and they comprise a unique branch of Nesbitts belonging to Haplo I-M253 and not R-269 as all the other Ayrshire Nisbet/Nesbitts are.

Besides the Y DNA mismatch to Ayrshire Nisbet/Nesbitts. There is not a pedigree so far found that has sound documentation to back up the claim of being a descendant of John Nisbet Margaret Law John the Martyr --

• does not match with claimed son- Alexander 1731 claimed to have been born at sea that is so often found

Now that we have eliminated the Nisbet Hardhill myth about John, let's take a realistic look at

Claimed to have son Alexander Alexander Nisbet

• not mentioned in the will
• Y DNA no match-- that supports he is not a son
• Alexanders oldest son is William oldest son is usually named after paternal grandfather and it appears his mother is Martha Fulton

As there is no proven connection to Nisbets of Hardhill this is also a repeated error

John was named for his grandfather, the notable covenanter and martyr John Nisbet of Hardhill, who was executed on 04 December 1685 at Grassmarket, Edinburgh, Scotland for his faith as a saint and patriot of Christ in opposition of the King's reign of terror to destroy the Presbyterian Church.

Error-Claimed Son of James Nisbet of Hardhill on find a grave memorial number 17642450, other publication and pedigrees.

https://archive.org/details/analectaormateri03mait/page/518) describing first hand accounts of friends of James Nisbet of Hardhill, son of John Nisbet 'the martyr' of Hardhill. They clearly state that he had no children and so cannot be the father of any claimed children . The account goes on to describe that James Nisbet was having trouble finding someone to bequeath the historic family bible to, further confirming that he had no descendants - not just that none of his children were still living.

Note: (This is a branch with paper genealogy problems/errors proven by YDNA ) Conflicting information and no documentation

I suspect some of the errors are included in these papers (John Nisbet History in the Nisbet Papers, Southern Historical Collection, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, N.C.) hereafter cited as Nisbet Papers.)

Claimed Property

Is there a deed or land grant, registered that could prove that he was in PA?

He then went to Lancaster County, Pennsylvania settled before March, 1736, on a branch of Pequea Creek in Lancaster County. The Nisbet family papers record his removal to North Carolina in 1750 ^[1]

There is a record with only a Warrantee for a John Nisbet #10 Warrantee John Nisbet survey 100 on Br Pequea Cr 23 Feb 1736 Lancaster Co PA ^[2] (The patentee generally was the person who settled the land and acquired title to it. The warrantee was the person to whom a “coupon” or warrant was issued.) There is no recorded entry after that and nothing that indicates which John Nisbet this was and if they only took out a warrant and were never there.

Is there a deed or land grant, registered that could prove time he was definitely in Rowan County NC?

Biography update 7 FEB 2020 John Nisbet and his wife Sarah Brevard,. Sarah Brevard b abt 1707 was the daughter of Jean Paul Brevard and his wife Mary Wallace who died before 1711. They were the only Brevard family documented in this time frame and at this location of Cecil Co, MD. She is the half sister to all of the children from the Brevard -Mcknitt marriage.

Essex NJ and Middlesex NJ are over a 100 miles from Cecil Co, MD, but Lancaster Co. PA is adjacent to Cecil Co, MD which seems more appropriate than NJ for John's location. The Brevard family lived in Cecil Co MD after 1714 and attended a Presbyterian Church at DE where John and Sarah were probably married. Then they lived at Lancaster Co PA until about 1749 when they relocated to NC.

John Nisbet (1705-1755) has also said to have been born in Essex or Middlesex New Jersey ^[3]

He is buried Thyatira Presbyterian Church Cemetery Mill Bridge, Rowan County, North Carolina, USA " HERE LIES THE BODY OF NISBET, JOHN WHO DECEAS'D AGED 50 YEARS NOV'R 19, 1755." Find A Grave: Memorial #17642450

He married Sarah Brevard who was most likely a member of the Brevard family of Hugenots that fled France to Ulster in Ireland. ^[4]

Publications

CAROLINA CRADLE by Robert W. Ramsey, Page 196 - Legal action was also instituted in October 1755 against John Brandon, John Nisbet and Edward Hughes for similar misuse of public funds. Nisbet died a month later, and Brandon passed away in May 1756, however, so the proceedings against them were dropped.

Some family records state he was born in Monmouth, N. J.,

Another says John Nisbet (or Nesbit) was born in 1705 in either Essex or Middlesex County, New Jersey. He then went to Lancaster County, Pennsylvania settled before March, 1736, on a branch of Pequea Creek in Lancaster County. The Nisbet family papers record his removal to North Carolina in 1750 ^[5]

Another says in 1750 they moved from New Jersey to Rowan and then not having been in PA^[6]

Children

names from will James-William-John-Thomas-Elizabeth-David

Sarah Nisbet appointed guardian in 1757 over David and Thomas would be minors then when their father died. ^[7]

• JAMES (1733-Jan 1763)
• WILLIAM (1735-+22 Nov 1799) married widow Mary A. Chambers +5 Jan 1806 2 children - David M (1786 +19 Oct 1811) and Rebeca M. (1790 +28 Mar 1855)
• DAVID (1736 +1811) married Jane Montgomery 1739 had a dau Elizabeth marred to Samuel Savage
• John Nisbet JOHN B. (1738 +18 May 1817) married Mary Osborne born ca 1746 died 20 Feb 1788 John Nisbet, general merchant, Patriot, and state legislator, was born in New Jersey, one of six children of John and Sarah Nisbet. In 1750 his parents moved from New Jersey to that part of Rowan' (from Dictionary of North Carolina Biography, University of North Carolina Press.) branch Y-DNA has no other Nesbitt matches suspect npe
• Thomas Nisbet 1740 +bef 28 Jun 1785 branch Y-DNA matches Nesbitt from Tyrone Ireland but not Alexander at sea paper genealogy seems to be correct
• Elizabeth Nisbet Mitchell

CAUTION:

Claimed/Disputed

John was born in 1705. He passed away in 1755.

• was born in Essex or Middlesex New Jersey Carolina Cradle ^[8]
• born in Edinburgh, Scotland or married 1730 Hardhill, Scotland or Immigration 1731 from Scotland to PA John Nisbet (1705-1755) and his wife Sarah Brevard came to America 1731 from Ayr (or Ayrshire Scotland. Heritage of Iredell Co., NC ^[9]

I strongly expect they or their parents probably came from Ireland to USA

Research Notes

DAR applications document dated from the 1970s which makes this worthless per DAR and SAR standards was removed as they are no longer valid documentation Patriot Ancestors MUST be re-proven with any/all changes in policy. Also, according to their policy, they can NOT be used as sources. Yes, there are tons of these worthless papers floating around and used as sources but they are not. recycling old data into new formats. This is a perpetual ongoing task and it is effective to weed out errors.

Nisbet Narrations is now online and can be read--- It is accurate in parts and fatally wrong in other parts. (But a splendid work - if you take care with the so-called facts presented within it.) [ https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/005731958]

John Nisbet Papers, 1770-1887 (bulk 1770-1830) Collection Number: 00943 John Nisbet, a Revolutionary patriot and merchant, moved with his parents and five siblings to Iredell County, N.C., from New Jersey, circa 1750. The collection contains business papers of three generations of the Nisbet family. Papers to 1830, which constitute more than half of the collection, are bills, invoices, receipts, accounts, and correspondence of John Nisbet and his son Alexander, with Philadelphia, Charleston, Fayetteville, Wilmington, and Petersburg dealers, including two ledgers, 1771-1773 and 1787-1792. Later items are papers of Alexander's son, James King Nisbet, a physician, mostly accounts of family and professional purchases. Also included are a few letters of relatives who moved to Alabama, Missouri, and Louisiana. Creator Nisbet, John, 1738-1817 Wilson Library at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

NC Heritage Book?

IMAGES

Warrantee JOHN NISBET 23 Feb 1736 Lancaster Co PA.

Warrantee ALEXANDER OSBORNE 25 Jan 1737 Lancaster Co PA.

Problem claim Nisbet & Osborn to PA.

Will John Nisbet from Probate 21 Nov 1756.

Will John Nisbet from Probate 21 Nov 1756.

Will Wm Nisbet Probate Salisburg May 12 1799 .

Will Wm Nisbet Probate Salisburg May 12 1799 .

Will Wm Nisbet Probate Salisburg May 12 1799 .

William and David Nisbet had a store in Salisbury as early as 1767.

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Sources

1. ↑ Carolina Cradle by Robert W. Ramsey on pages 56 and 57 says--John Nisbet (or Nesbit) was born in 1705 in either Essex or Middlesex County, New Jersey. (John Nisbet History in the Nisbet Papers, Southern Historical Collection, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, N.C.) hereafter cited as Nisbet Papers.) After reaching his majority he went to Pennsylvania, probably in the company of Alexander Osborne, and settled before March, 1736, on a branch of Pequea Creek in Lancaster County." (Taylor Papers, V, 889.) The Nisbet family papers record his removal to North Carolina in 1750, (John Nisbet History in the Nisbet Papers, cited as Nisbet Papers.) though he may have traveled southward the previous year with his friend Osborne. The closeness of their association is reflected in the marriage of Nisbet's son John to Mary Osborne, daughter of Alexander.
2. ↑ Warrant N.B. In that same register record, there is also a record with only a Warrantee for a Alexander Osborne #9 Warrantee Alexander Osborne survey 400 on Br Pequea Cr 25 Jan 1737 Lancaster Co PA <ref>Warrant Registers Records of the Land Office Pennsylvania Archives </li> <li id="_note-2">[[#_ref-2|↑]] Carolina Cradle p 56 by Robert W. Ramsey</li> <li id="_note-3">[[#_ref-3|↑]] probably related to [[Brevard-21]] (note if you search Scotlands people for that time period '''there are no Brevards in Scotland''' which further indicates no connection to Scotland)</li> <li id="_note-4">[[#_ref-4|↑]] Carolina Cradle by Robert W. Ramsey on pages 56 and 57 says--John Nisbet (or Nesbit) was born in 1705 in either Essex or Middlesex County, New Jersey. (John Nisbet History in the Nisbet Papers, Southern Historical Collection, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, N.C.) hereafter cited as Nisbet Papers.) After reaching his majority he went to Pennsylvania, probably in the company of Alexander Osborne, and settled before March, 1736, on a branch of Pequea Creek in Lancaster County." (Taylor Papers, V, 889.) The Nisbet family papers record his removal to North Carolina in 1750, (John Nisbet History in the Nisbet Papers, cited as Nisbet Papers.) though he may have traveled southward the previous year with his friend Osborne. The closeness of their association is reflected in the marriage of Nisbet's son John to Mary Osborne, daughter of Alexander.</li> <li id="_note-5">[[#_ref-5|↑]] In 1750 they moved from New Jersey to that part of Rowan''' (from Dictionary of North Carolina Biography, University of North Carolina Press.)</li> <li id="_note-6">[[#_ref-6|↑]] Court Minutes of Rowan, p. 175</li> <li id="_note-7">[[#_ref-7|↑]] Carolina Cradle p 56 by Robert W. Ramsey</li> <li id="_note-8">[[#_ref-8|↑]] Heritage of Iredell Co p 435 art 478</li></ol></ref>