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John and Elizabeth Hendra

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Location: Gwinear, Cornwall, Englandmap
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Differentiating between two couples named John and Elizabeth Hendra in Gwinear, Cornwall.

Two John and Elizabeth Hendras

1. John Hendra and Elizabeth Hendra married 4 Dec 1817 at Gwinear.[1]

2. John Hendra and Elizabeth Rodda married 29 Jun 1818 at Gwinear.[2]

Contents

Couple 1

Henry Hendra was baptised 1 Mar 1818 to 'John and Elizabeth Hendra'. As this was before the second couple married in June, and no mention was made of unmarried parents, it is likely that his parents were couple 1. No other likely Henry Hendra was born at that time so the family can be traced on the 1841 census.

The mother of this family died in 1845 at age 49. Her widowed husband and children can also be found on the 1851 census (Menner Downs, Gwinear).[3]

1841 census

The John who married Elizabeth Hendra (and had 10 children) was with wife at Lanyon Vean on 1841 census[4]

Lanyon Vean, Gwinear, Cornwall

NAMESAGEEMPLOYMENT
John Hendra45Ag Lab
Elizabeth45
Henry24Engineer
Thomas17Gardener
Ralph15Ag Lab
Christopher13do
James10do
Jane8
Anne6
Grace4
//
Ann Hendra50Ind.


Couple 2

The other couple (likely the John who married Elizabeth Rodda) was at Lamin on the 1841 census[5]

Lamin, Gwinear, Cornwall

NAMESAGEEMPLOYMENT
Ann Hendra81Ind
Christopher59Black Smith
//
John Hendra49Copper Miner
Elizabeth48
Elizabeth Rodda47Ind
Henry4


Which John has which parents?

Two John Hendras baptised at Gwinear

1. John Hendra baptised 22 May 1792 - son of Christopher and Anne [Hampton][6]

2. John Hendra baptised 22 Oct 1796 - son of Thomas and Jane [Stephens][7]

Note: there is also a John Hendra baptised 1798 at Camborne (son of another [or same?] Thomas and Jane)

Couple 1

The father of Elizabeth Hendra's children according to census records:

1841 - b1796 (45) Ag Lab
1851 - b1792 (59) Ag Lab
1861 - b1791 (70) Farmer of 4 Acres

b1790 and died 27 Oct 1868 "aged 78" [Gravestone (2 profiles on FaG)] [8][9]

From this information it is probable the John who married Elizabeth Hendra was the son of Christopher Hendra and Ann Hampton. (Later censuses and gravestone more reliable than 1841 census)

Couple 2

The other John:
1841 - b1792 (49) Copper Miner

wife Elizabeth: 1841 - b1793 (48)

Unable to find the couple in the 1851 census

Conclusion

Based on the above information - the couples are believed to be:

Couple 1 - John Hendra (abt.1792-abt.1868) and Elizabeth Hendra (bef.1796-1845)

Couple 2 - John Hendra (bef.1796-) and Elizabeth (Rodda) Hendra (bef.1799-) (previously Hendra-158)

Reservations

The couple living at Lamin in 1841 were 'next door' to an Ann Hendra (81) and Christopher (59) - presumed mother and son. It would be a reasonable assumption that the neighbouring John Hendra is her son HOWEVER the Lanyon Vean couple have an Ann Hendra (50) living with them who seems to the 81 year old Ann's daughter. It would also be a reasonable assumption that the 50 year old Ann is staying with her brother. Due to the lack of relationships and rounded age years given in the 1841 census, neither scenario can be proved or disproved at this time (Either could be a different relationship such as nephew or cousin.

But it's also worth noting that the age of 81 year old Ann ties in with the burial age of Anne (Hampton) Hendra (bef.1759-abt.1842). If these ages are accurate, it means the son of Christopher and Anne, John Hendra (bef.1792-abt.1868), was the one who married Elizabeth Rodda. (Still researching - Palmer-9783 15:53, 24 January 2021 (UTC))

Sources

  1. "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJ9Z-VPY : 13 March 2020), Elizabeth Hendra in entry for John Hendra, 1817. Image 107
  2. "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVMD-6BS : 13 March 2020), John Hendra, 1818. Image 109
  3. "England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG25-8QG : 9 November 2019), John Handra, Gwinear, Cornwall, England; citing Gwinear, Cornwall, England, p. 27, from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
  4. "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQYY-BWZ : 23 May 2019), John Hendra, Gwinear, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
  5. "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQYB-9WS : 23 May 2019), John Hendra, Gwinear, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
  6. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JM7D-9J9 : 20 March 2020), John Hendra, 1792.
  7. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLV4-45W : 20 March 2020), John Hendra, 1796.
  8. Find a Grave, database and images (accessed 16 January 2021), memorial page for John Hendra (1790–27 Oct 1868), Find A Grave: Memorial #218885255, citing St Winnear Churchyard, Gwinear, Cornwall Unitary Authority, Cornwall, England ; Maintained by LMP (contributor 49529879) . Later photograph
  9. Find a Grave, database and images (accessed 16 January 2021), memorial page for John Hendra (unknown–1868), Find A Grave: Memorial #214099155, citing Gwinear Parish Church Cemetery, Gwinear, Cornwall Unitary Authority, Cornwall, England ; Maintained by Carol Beavis (contributor 50270399) . Earlier photograph




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