John Wride (1779 - bef. 1849)

Born 8 May 1779 in Barmby on the Moor, Yorkshire, England

Ancestors

Husband of Mary (Watson) Wride — married 14 Oct 1805 in Beswick, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom

Husband of Mary (Camidge) Wride — married 25 Jul 1833 in Leeds, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom

Descendants

Died before 22 Aug 1849 before age 70 in Barmby on the Moor, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom

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Biography

Birth and Baptism

John, the son of Thomas Wride and Catherine, née Anderson, who had been married at Fangfoss on 22 November 1766,^[1] was born at Barmby on the Moor on 8 May 1779 and baptized at the parish church of St Catherine at Barmby on the Moor on 16 May 1779.^[2]

First Marriage

John married Mary Watson by banns at St Margaret's Chapel of Ease at Beswick in the parish of Kilnwick on the Wolds on 14 October 1805. John's parish was given as Warter. Witnesses were William Read and Thomas Dawson.^[3]

Children

John and Mary had eleven children:

1. Hannah, born at Barmby on the Moor on 16 December 1806 and baptized at the parish church of St Catherine at Barmby on the Moor on 8 January 1807.^[4]
2. William, born at Barmby on the Moor on 12 December 1808 and baptized at the parish church of St Catherine at Barmby on the Moor the same day.^[5]
3. John, born at Barmby on the Moor on 12 December 1810 and baptized at the parish church of St Catherine at Barmby on the Moor on 14 January 1810.^[6]
4. Ann, born at Barmby on the Moor in 1813 and baptized at the parish church of St Catherine at Barmby on the Moor on 1 February 1813. John's occupation was given as Poulterer.^[7]
5. Thomas, born at Barmby on the Moor in 1815 and baptized at the parish church of St Catherine at Barmby on the Moor on 12 December 1815. John's occupation was given as Labourer.^[8]
6. Mary, born at Barmby on the Moor in 1818 and baptized at the parish church of St Catherine at Barmby on the Moor on 26 February 1818. John's occupation was given as Labourer.^[9]
7. Watson, born at Barmby on the Moor in 1819 and baptized at the parish church of St Catherine at Barmby on the Moor on 1 September 1819. John's occupation was given as Labourer.^[10]
8. Robert, born at Barmby on the Moor in 1822 and baptized at the parish church of St Catherine at Barmby on the Moor on 10 April 1822. John's occupation was given as Poulterer.^[11]
9. Joseph, born at Barmby on the Moor on 12 August 1824 and baptized at the parish church of St Catherine at Barmby on the Moor on 27 August 1824. John's occupation was given as Poulterer.^[12]
10. Elizabeth, born at Barmby on the Moor in 1826 and baptized at the parish church of St Catherine at Barmby on the Moor on 20 August 1826. John's occupation was given as Farmer.^[13]
11. Anderson, born at Barmby on the Moor on 18 December 1828 and baptized at the parish church of St Catherine at Barmby on the Moor on 22 March 1829. John's occupation was given as Farmer.^[14]

Wife's Death and Burial

John's wife Mary died, aged 47, at Barmby on the Moor in October 1831 and was buried at the parish church of St Catherine at Barmby on the Moor on 11 October 1831.^[15]

Emigration Attempt

In April 1832 John, with six of his children, embarked on the ship EXPERIMENT at Hull to emigrate to Quebec, Canada. Unfortunately, the ship was caught in a severe gale in the English Channel and blown onto rocks near Calais, where the ship was lost. However, all the 45 emigrant passengers and crew were saved. They were transferred to London, and from there returned home.^[16] See Loss of EXPERIMENT for more detail.

Second Marriage

John married Mary Camidge by licence of the Vicar Surrogate granted on 25 July 1833. John's age was listed as 50 on the licence.^[17] The marriage took place at the parish church of St Peter at Leeds on the same day. John's occupation was given as Husbandman. Witnesses were Elizabeth Richardson and Francis Whitaker.^[18]

Census Record

The 6 June 1841 census records John living at Barmby on the Moor with his wife Mary and children Elizabeth and Anderson. John's age was given as 60 and his occupation as Farmer.^[19]

Death and Burial

John died aged 69 at Barmby on the Moor in August 1849^[20] and was buried at the parish church of St Catherine on 22 August 1849.^[21]

Research Notes

Baptism Record Pedigree

John's baptism record^[2] lists his pedigree as follows:

• Father: Thomas Wride of Barmby Moor Son of William Wride of Barmby Moor Labourer by Catherine his Wife Daughter of William Newton of Thornton Farmer.
• Mother: Catherine Daughter of Michael Anderson of Buttercrambe Farmer by Alice his Wife Daughter of Michael Geldarf of Leavening Farmer

Daughter Hannah's Baptism Record Pedigree

John's daughter Hannah's baptism record^[4] has some pedigree information as follows:

• Father: John Wride Labourer
• Mother: Mary Daughter of William Watson

Son Anderson's Exact Birth Date

The exact date of birth of John's son Anderson was taken from his death certificate. Anderson died on 30 Jul 1905 at Ada Township, Kent County, Michigan, USA.^[22]

Wives (or Wife)

Death and Burial

There are two good candidates for Mary Wride buried at Barmby on the Moor. These are:

• Mary, buried at Barmby on the Moor on 11 October 1831, aged 47.^[23] This gives a calculated birth year of 1784.
• Mary, a widow, buried at Barmby on the Moor on 10 January 1858, aged 76.^[24] The corresponding civil death registration^[25] has the same age. These give a calculated birth year of 1781 for Mary.

My initial assumption was that John had a single wife Mary Watson who died in 1858. However, upon discovering the emigration attempt in 1832, where no mention was made of John's wife, it was tempting to assume that the emigration came about because Mary had died six months earlier. However, this latter would require John to have remarried to another Mary, between 1832 and 1841. The only candidate for a Yorkshire wedding occurred at Leeds, by licence, on 25 June 1833, when a John Wride married Mary Cammidge.^[17] The licence gives the ages of John and Mary as 50 and 40 respectively.

Birth and Baptism

The burial record for 1831 suggests a birth year of 1784. Similarly, the 1851 census suggests a birth year of 1784, while the 1858 burial record suggests a birth year of 1781. These are all consistent with Mary being slightly younger than John, and being of marriageable age in 1805.

The baptism record for John's daughter Hannah^[4] clearly states that Mary was the daughter of William Watson.

The 1851 census record states that Mary was born at York.^[26]

Searching for baptisms within 10 miles of York from 1779 to 1789 with father William yields only three results:

1. Mary, daughter of William Watson and his wife Susanna, née Surr, baptized at York on 21 April 1779.^[27]
2. Mary, daughter of William Watson and his wife Elizabeth, née Sproxton, baptized at Barmby on the Moor on 26 September 1784.^[28]
3. Mary, eldest daughter of William Watson of Shipton and his wife Mary, née Sharp, baptized at Overton on 15 April 1784.^[29]

Looking at each of these in turn:

• For the Mary Watson born at York there are numerous marriage candidates, so nothing further can be said.
• For the Mary Watson born at Barmby on the Moor the birth year is in excellent agreement. There are no obvious marriage or burial candidates, so this is worth considering. Is it purely coincidence? Or was this Mary now living and working in Beswick?
• For the Mary Watson baptized at Overton there is a strong marriage candidate, although I have not been able to verify this with subsequent records.

Interestingly, looking for potential Mary Cammidge baptisms, there is one for Mary Camidge, daughter of Leonard Camidge and his wife Sarah, née Clint, baptized at York on 29 July 1781.^[30] Furthermore, there are no obvious marriage or burial candidates to eliminate this possibility. The marriage to John Wride in 1833 stated that Mary Camidge was a spinster.

Proposed solution

Having reviewed all the above I propose the following:

• John Wride married the Mary Watson who had been baptized at Barmby on the Moor in 1784.
• Mary died in 1831 and was buried at Barmby on the Moor.
• John decided to emigrate to Canada in April 1832 with the children still at home. He returned to Yorkshire following the shipwreck.
• At Leeds in 1833 John married the Mary Camidge baptized at York in 1781.
• This second Mary died in 1858 and was buried at Barmby on the Moor.

I have modified all three relevant profiles to show this solution.

Sources

1. ↑ "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NL6T-QTG : 12 March 2020), Thomas Wride, 1766. Image available on FindMyPast.
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1} "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3KZ-B35 : 19 September 2020), John Wride, 1779. Image available on FindMyPast.
3. ↑ "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NL7K-YZV : 13 March 2020), John Wride, 1805. Image available on FindMyPast.
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2} "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NR7P-9XS : 19 September 2020), Hannah Wride, 1807. Image available on FindMyPast.
5. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9QL-X8T : 19 September 2020), William Wride, 1808. Image available on FindMyPast.
6. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9QL-63R : 19 September 2020), John Wride, 1810. Image available on FindMyPast.
7. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBDP-J5B : 19 September 2020), Ann Wride, 1813. Image available on FindMyPast.
8. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JW2M-XQ9 : 19 September 2020), Thomas Wride, 1815. Image available on FindMyPast.
9. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBDP-KH6 : 19 September 2020), Mary Wride, 1818. Image available on FindMyPast.
10. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NR7P-WX8 : 19 September 2020), Watson Wride, 1819. Image available on FindMyPast.
11. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NR7P-QJZ : 19 September 2020), Robert Wride, 1822. Image available on FindMyPast.
12. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBDP-J57 : 19 September 2020), Joseph Wride, 1824. Image available on FindMyPast.
13. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NR7P-WHK : 19 September 2020), Elizabeth Wride, 1826. Image available on FindMyPast.
14. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3KZ-B2T : 19 September 2020), Anderson Wride, 1829. Image available on FindMyPast.
15. ↑ "England, Yorkshire, Bishop's Transcripts, 1547-1957", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68Z6-SYC5 : 16 August 2021), Mary Wride, 1831. Image available on FindMyPast.
16. ↑ Various newspaper reports, collected together and transcribed in the Free Space profile Loss of EXPERIMENT.
17. ↑ ^{17.0 17.1} "England, Yorkshire Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1613-1887", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ZN5P-5XN2 : 13 August 2020), John Wride, 1833.
18. ↑ "England Marriages, 1538–1973", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2KH-XJG : 12 March 2020), John Wride, 1833. Image on Ancestry.
19. ↑ "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQPD-R65 : 23 May 2019), John Wride, Barmby on the Moor, Yorkshire East Riding, England, United Kingdom; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
20. ↑ UK GRO Index:- Name: WRIDE, JOHN Age at Death (in years): 69 GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in POCKLINGTON Volume 23 Page 71.
21. ↑ Barmby Moor Parish Register, Burial, 1849, page 55, No. 436. Image available on FindMyPast.
22. ↑ See Ancestry image for full details.
23. ↑ Barmby Moor Parish Register, Burial, 1831, page 24, No. 192. Image available on FindMyPast.
24. ↑ Barmby Moor Parish Register, Burial, 1858, page 70, No. 558. Image available on FindMyPast.
25. ↑ UK GRO Index:- Name: WRIDE, MARY Age at Death (in years): 76 GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in POCKLINGTON Volume 09D Page 47.
26. ↑ "England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG1P-KD4 : 12 September 2019), Mary Wride in household of William Tiddall, Barmby Moor, Yorkshire,Yorkshire (East Riding), England; citing Barmby Moor, Yorkshire,Yorkshire (East Riding), England, p. 14, from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
27. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NR7G-N8W : 20 September 2020), Mary Watson, 1779.
28. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NR7P-Q3N : 19 September 2020), Mary Watson, 1784. Image available on FindMyPast.
29. ↑ "England, Yorkshire, Bishop's Transcripts, 1547-1957", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:682W-1NVL : 23 September 2021), Mary Watson, 1785. Image available on FindMyPast.
30. ↑ "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5BN-J49 : 21 March 2020), Mary Camidge, 1781. Image available on FindMyPast.