Has anyone attempted to connect or correct the Skidmore/Scudamore lines?

Question

Thomas Skidmore, 1605-1684, Skidmore-14, has a lineage that is somewhat conflicted, in that he is connected back to great grandparents, John Skidmore and Sybil Vaughn, which I see as correct, but his grandfather, William Skidmore, Skidmore-76, may have a duplicate, Scudamore-161, who also shows parents of John Skidmore and Sybil Vaughn.  

If this were the same William, it would tie the Holme Lacy and Westerleigh branches together.  Warren Skidmore, the Skidmore genealogist, seems to have believed they were connected, Our Royal Titled Noble and Commoner Ancestors also seems to support, and if you look at the Visitation of Herfordshire, 1569, you can follow a line down from William and Alys (Mynors) to Thomas Skidmore, born in 1605.

That line being William and Alys, to John and Sybil (Vaughn), to William, to Richard born 1580, to Thomas.  The juncture I am having trouble documenting would be William and his spouse or spouses.  It would all make sense if William first married Ursula Pakington and then married Mary Lechmere, with the former being mother to John and the later being mother to Richard.  I do not see any documentation for Scudamore-161 DOD.  Our Royal Titled...says William Skidmore died 30 Nov 1615.

This same William would have had a brother, Richard, who married Mary Hollister.

Answer 1

I don't have much to add, as this isn't my area, but as a descendant of the family, I would love to see some work on them.

It might be a good idea to separate the "Skidmore" & "Scudamore" tags on this post, by the way- as-is it's unlikely to be seen by many people.

Comments

Thanks!

Answer 2

I think John Skidmore and Sybil Vaughan are incorrect as the great-grandparents, and should be detached.

The Visitation of Herefordshire 1569, taken during the lifetime of John Scudamore of Holme Lacy shows that he married Sybil Vaughan, and had sons William, Richard, John and Philip. They also had five daughters including Elizabeth who married Humfrey Baskerville and had 6 children. William married Ursula Pakington, and had sons John, Richard, George and Roland, and daughter Joan. History of Parliament indicates that John grandson of Sybil was born c.1542 and his father was dead by 1560. This means that his brother Richard was born between c.1542 and c.1556, as he had two younger brothers. He is therefore significantly older than expected for the father of Thomas Scudamore the immigrant, who was married in 1604. It is certain that Thomas the immigrant had a bachelor uncle also called Thomas, but this name does not appear on the visitation.

Further, William the grandfather of the immigrant is said to have died in 1615, and his children were mentioned in the will of his spinster sister Elizabeth in 1614, in contrast William the son of Sybil was dead by 1560 and his sister Elizabeth married before 1569.

Warren Skidmore's book, cited on the immigrant Thomas's profile quotes wills (p.723ff) to show that William the grandfather of the immigrant was himself the son of a Richard who died in 1609, and estimates his birth in 1540. This Richard would be of the right age to be Sybil's grandson, but the same book suggests that there are earlier Skydmores in Westerleigh who most likely to be his ancestors.

I see no evidence linking the Westerleigh family to the Holme Lacy one.

Comments

I revisited Warren Skidmore's book, but this time the Appendix, where he references he added more detail of William, grandfather of Thomas the immigrant b 1605.  

It appears there that he was noting a line back from Thomas to be Richard b 1580, d 1606, and wife Agnes Lawrence; to be the son of William b 1570, d 1622/23, probable wife Joan.  William was the son of Richard b 1540, d 1609, and his wife Mary Hollister.  

That Richard was the son of John b 1510, d 1570. This John was buried in Somerset, and mentioned in a muster in Westerleigh in 1542.  Warren Skidmore does not mention knowledge of this John's wife.  Is it possible it was Sybil Vaughn, or has she been mistakenly attached to this John Skidmore?

Back from John, he notes his father was Richard, born about 1480, and listed as a freeholder and in a military list of 1522  He only surmises Richard's father was Robert of Westerleigh who was noted in a court event there in 1463.

I am having difficulty with the years between the births of grandfather William and father Richard.  But that aside, it would appear the line back from Thomas Skidmore in WikiTree may be missing a generation, that being Richard and Mary (Hollister) as parents of William the grandfather b 1570.  The other issue is whether or not Sybil, wife of John is attached to the wrong John Skidmore.  Of course, this is also on the acceptance of Warren Skidmore's work.

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I think I misread the book first time round and you have as well. Picking out the right RIchards and Williams is hard. Going through it more carefully I see this as the lineage:

#17 p.740 Thomas, b.1606 the immigrant
certainly the son of
#9 p.732 Richard, b.c.1580, d.1606, m.1604 Agnes Lawrence
certainly the son of
#4 p.725 William, b.c.1545, d.1615. prob. m.Isabel
probably the son of
#2 p.722 John, b.c.1510, poss. bur.1570 Bath
probably the son of
#1 p.721 Richard, b.c.1480, d. aft.1539

The cited wills, especially that of #4 William's sister Elizabeth, support this line, and show that #4 William cannot have been the son of Sybil and John of Holme Lacy. The Holme Lacy family is extraordinarily well documented due to the transfer of the family archive to Chancery in the early 19th century (see footnote 18 in this biography of John Scudamore 1542-1623). If there is a connection it will likely be found in those papers.

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Yes, I think you have it correct!  I had two of the Williams confused earlier, one being the son of Richard #3, and the other the brother of Richard #3--that one is our William #4, the grandfather of Thomas the Immigrant.

Now the task of making corrections, concentrating only on the line back from Thomas initially, I would suggest that Mary Lechmere should possibly be removed as spouse of William (Skidmore-76).  Any thoughts as to the family of the probable spouse Isabel who was mentioned?

Additionally, although the DOB and DOD dates of John Skidmore, father of William, are unusually close to the dates of John Scudamore in the Holm Lacy line, clearly they are two different John Skidmore's. Perhaps Sybil Vaughn should be removed as spouse of John Skidmore (Skidmore-67).  Vaughn is clearly noted in the visitation of the Holm Lacy line. Perhaps the two profiles for Sybil Vaughn could be considered for a merge after that removal.

Then the line back from Thomas would be correct.  Thank you for helping me sort through this.

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That all sounds the right way to go. On Isabel I have nothing more than I read in Warren Skidmore's book.