Pole Beauchamp (bef. 1470 - 1538)

Born before 1470 in Cornwall, England

Descendants

Died 1538 after age 68 in Cornwall, England

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Biography

The dates for Pole are based on dates for his grandson, Sir John Michell reported in the Parliamentary Record. Essentially, the math works like this (number of steps refers to source number):

• 1. Sir John Michell (d.c. 1588), "The first known reference found about him is as captain of the Maudlyn of Truro in May 1537. The deputy searcher of the port reported to the Council that he had boarded the ship, which was bound for Lantregar in Brittany with ‘a company of riotous persons feigning a pope holy pilgrimage’." WikiTree ID Michell-336 This same source indicated he likely died before 21 June 1588.

• 2. & 3. Research on ages of ship officers shows most officers were in their 30s and that early 30s was still considered to be "young" 1537-30 =1507 probably latest he was born. Sir Francis Drake was 33 when he was a Captain so using him as a guide, we will set Sir John's birth date as 1490s to 1507. (Currently his profile is project protected by Euristo Project and probably needs to be changed from the before 1520 that is showing). This would mean he lived into his 70s, 80s, or possibly 90s all of which are plausible.

4a. John, WikiTree ID Michell-2, father of Sir John Michell (d.c. 1588) would be at least 20 at time of John's Birth. So this would make his birth date 1470s to 1487. (Currently his profile is project protected by Euristo Project and probably needs to be changed from the "before 1497" that is showing).

4b. John, WikiTree ID Michell-2, is shown as husband of Alice Beauchamp and she is shown as the mother of Sir John. We believe her birth date will likely be similar to that of her husband from 1470s to 1487.

Conclusion: Pole is likely born 1450s or 1460s. 1470 at latest. We merged ther 2 Pole Beauchamp profiles that were showing in WikiTree. This one and Beauchamp-100. We believe the idea that there was a junior and a senior came from the Cornwall Visitations book showing a number 2 after his name. However, if you look at the book as a whole you will see the males of the families are each numbered by birth order among the males. Therefore, we believe this indicates he is a younger brother of Beauchamp of Sommersetshire.

5. No source has been found that supports this assertion "The lineage becomes non-patrilineal through Margaret, daughter of Edmund de Ferrers, wife of John Beauchamp, 1st Baron Beauchamp and technically unlawful through their grandson Pole Beauchamp (1470–1538), the illegitimate son of Richard Beauchamp, 2nd Baron Beauchamp. Pole Beauchamp (known on occasion as Pole Fitzbeauchamp) was a near kinsman of the legitimate Lygon line"

Sources

• 1. N M Fudge, "MICHELL, John (d.c.1588), of Truro, Cornw.", The History of Parliament: British Political, Social & Local History, Crown copyright and The History of Parliament Trust 1964-2015, accessed 6 February 2016, http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/michell-john-1588

• 2. Tudor Sea Power: The Foundation of Greatness By David Childs. p 123 "1595 ship barber-surgeon under interrogation stated age as 23 which seemed young"

• 3. Tudor Adventurers: The Voyage of Discovery that Transformed England by James Evans. Section 20: Cabot was 70, Chancellor 3rd in command less than half his age so under 35, was considered very young.

• 4. The Visitations of Cornwall: Comprising the Heralds' Visitations of 1530, 1573 & 1620, pp 268, 322

• 5. www.thefullwiki.org/Baron_Ferrers_of_Chartley

• • Hastor, P. W., Editor, History of Parliament, (London: Boydell and Brewer, 1981)

• • Vivian, John Lambrick, Drake, Henry, Ph. D., and Holman, Henry, of the College of Arms, The Visitations of Cornwall: Comprising the Heralds' Visitations of 1530, 1573 & 1620, (Exeter: William Pollard and company, 1887);

Original profile sources:

• WikiTree profile Beauchamp-544 created through the import of Clark_Nye_Pascual Family Tree.ged on Aug 14, 2011 by Daniel Clark. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Daniel and others.

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• one of the Pole profiles was created on 19 October 2010 through the import of Ancestors of Lois Greene.ged. This version had the following information which we determined to be in error:

Pole II was born in 1492. He passed away about 1560. He was the son of Sir Pole I Beauchamp, and the grandson of Sir Richard, 2nd Baron of Powyck and Hatch. Pole II's mother is unknown, but there is no doubt that his daughter was Alice (Bauchamp) Michell who married Sir John III Michell, MP, and Mayor of Truro, Cornwall County (See the reference below which exists in the files of the English college of arms, the last word in English genealogy). Baron Richard betrayed his father's Lancastrian orientation during the wars of the roses, and it could be that little is known about either of the two Pole Beauchamps, because they were both well-placed to claim the throne of England, because the mother of Pole I Beauchamp was Baroness Elizabeth de Stafford (1446-Jan 1476), The daughter of the Duke of Buckingham. Elizabeth's mother, Duchess Elizabeth, was the granddaughter of Prince John of Gaunt, son of King Edward III. Both King Henry VII and Tudor spent decades slaughtering He passed away about 1560.