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Sarah Margaret (Herring) Doss (1685 - 1743)

Sarah Margaret Doss [uncertain] formerly Herring
Born in Essex, Virginiamap
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married 1705 in Virginiamap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 58 in Middlesex, Virginiamap
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Biography

Mystery of Sarah Margaret Herring
The Marriage from Virginia that the profile has been based on Family Search Link is below. The source has this Sarah married to a Thomas but the marriage certificates are for John. The second source is from a legacy file
Christ Church Parish, Virginia Marriages, 1653-1812 [1]
Name: Jno Doss
Spouse: Sarah Herring
Marriage Date: 17 Jun 1735
Comment: (Banns)
  • Please Note Conflation: The marriage record above does not match the marriage date in her husband Thomas Doss's biography from Find-a-Grave. The marriage record above is for a different Sarah. This Sarah would also been in her late 40s at that date. The date 1714 of their marriage is in the biography below of husband Thomas Doss.
Find-a-Grave of Spouse - Bio of Thomas Doss Baptism date Jan 9 1686 Son of Jno and Ann Doss at ye lower Chapel. HE married Sarah Margaret Herring: born about 1685 - 1743. They married about 1714 per the records I have found On ancestory.com and familysearch.org they had 6 sons James Doss Sr. being my 7X Great-grandfather.
Find-a-Grave of Son - Bio of James DossSon of Thomas and Margaret Doss he married Frances Nix(1720-1776) abt 1740 in Amelia Co. Virginia she was a daughter of Edward Nix and Eunice Gibson. They had7 children James Doss Jr being my 5X Great grandfather. Married Ann Thurman and had 6 more children. Mother's name is Sarah Margaret Herring (1685-1743) No burial location has been found. A record of marriage is found for here and Thomas Doss. 17 Jun 1735, Christ Church, Lancaster, Virginia, USA. James Doss was born circa 1715 in Virginia to Thomas Doss Sr.. Bio by: Vivian Pattee
  • So in conclusion the marriage record is not for this Sarah Herring, also I see no reference to Brown connected to this Sarah's the surname should be removed unless/until a source shows up

This is a very tricky profile. Several with same names but dates are wrong for them to be valid sources. I tried checking a Find-a-Grave source for more information but was linked to a inaccessible page.

Research Notes (Questionable Sources)

Alexander Herring and Margaret Hamiliton Herring are the current parents. Johns middle name could be Thomas but no source has been found.

This is a very tricky profile several common names
U.S., Civil War Pension Index: General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934 [2]
Name: Sarah Doss
Gender: Female
Filing Date: 24 Mar 1888
Filing Place: Kentucky, USA
Relation to Head: Widow
Spouse: Thomas Doss

Military and Land

  • Clearly she was not the widow that collected a pension in 1861.....she was long dead before that time.
General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934[3]
Name: Sarah Doss
Gender: Female
Place Filed: Kentucky, USA
Relation to Head: Widow
Spouse: Thomas Doss

Mayflower Births and Deaths

  • She is NOT Margaret Brown
Mayflower Births and Deaths, Vol. 1 and 2 [4]
Name: Margaret Brown
Birth Date: 5 Jul 1687
Death Date: 6 Feb 1734
Relationship: Child
Father: James Brown
Mother: Margaret Dennison
James Brown Self (Head)
Margaret Dennison Wife
Lydia Brown Child
Mary Brown Child
Lydia Brown Child
James Brown Child
Margaret Brown Child
Peleg Brown Child
William Brown Child
Dorothy Brown Child
Mercy Brown Child
Ann Brown Child
Benjamin Brown Child
Isaac Brown Child

Sources

  1. Original data: National Society of the Colonial Dames of America in the Commonwealth of Virginia. Parish Register of Christ Church, Middlesex County, Virginia from 1653 to 1812. Richmond, VA, USA: Christ Church, 1897. https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/761:4307
  2. Original data: General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration. T288, 546 rolls. https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/11773989:4654?ssrc=pt&tid=58228972&pid=382144852294
  3. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration. T288, 546 rolls. https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=4654&h=11773989&ssrc=pt&tid=165299047&pid=332167633185&usePUB=true
  4. This collection was indexed by Ancestry World Archives Project contributors. Roser, Susan E. Mayflower Births and Deaths: From the Files of George Ernest Bowman at the Massachusetts Society of Mayflower Descendants. Volumes 1 & 2. Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 1992. https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=MayflowerBD&indiv=try&h=7708




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I think I have gotten the profile ready for disconnection. The marriage record does not say Thomas it says John. Neither of the two sources under Research notes belong on this profile. Just of note these are widely viewed as the parents on the internet.

I am updating the profile now.

posted by Susan (Mccollister) Woodall
edited by Susan (Mccollister) Woodall
This profile needs a lot of work...while there was discussion over a year ago, no work has been done. Here are the issues as I see them.

1) Clearly she was not the widow that collected a pension in 1861.....she was long dead before that time. 2) She is NOT Margaret Brown 3) The family search profile indicates a marriage to Thomas Doss with NO primary sources, yet has numerous sources for a marriage to John Doss.

posted by Robin Lee
Thank you, Robin, it has been a long time since I looked at this profile. I will see what I can do with it. What makes this more interesting is Karen Collins the other PM and I share DNA. Chromosomes 7 - 7.9 and Chromosomes 15 - 8.3. on the "Relationship to me" app we are showing 16C2R. So something is out of Wack. I have some time constraints at the moment so it may be intermittent.
Brown-103608 and Herring-3513 appear to represent the same person because: same husband. same name. Herring is maiden name. Brown is alternate married name. please merge.
Thomas' wife was identified as Margaret only by two lawsuits according to Cathy Meder-Dempsey ("Opening Doors in Brick Walls," 19 Nov 2019, WorldConnect Project, (https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/189102/I878/thomas-doss/individual). Neither the name Sarah nor the surnames Herring and Brown are associated with her in any records. The will Alexander Herring mentioned only his son Alexander Herring, wife Margaret, daughter Cady Herring, daughter Esther Wood, and daughter Sarah Prettyman. Sources are needed for this Margaret.
posted by Kay (Offutt) Schmidt
Interesting. The profiles still need merging, however, as they are clearly the same person, and show up as two wives for Thomas, when he only had 1 (I assume).

Given the info, I'd recommend taking 'Sarah' off of both profiles, since they both call her Sarah Margaret. And since neither of these have sources for the last name, the last name could be changed to Unknown. and both possible names listed in a notes section. However, I'm not the PM for either of these, so can only make suggestions ;- )

I've just created an unmatched merge for Sarah Margaret Herring and Margaret Unknown because I believe the two women to be the same person, however, research would be need to determine her proper name since neither have any sources at all.
posted on Unknown-137557 (merged) by Pattie (Breed) Plummer-Everett

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