Poitou, France, needs help figuring out what the location named is please

Question

Pierre Talussier died in 1724, his funeral record lists him as native of ''Chi___'' (???) in Poitou.  Can't figure out what the name of the location is, can someone take a look and see if they can identify it please?

https://archives.haut-rhin.fr/ark:/naan/a011611930874bEQZSp/7c3da7dccf Archives départementales du Haut-Rhin, 1701-1731 Neuf Brisach (EDEPOT/131), sépultures pg 153/187 en bas à gauche / bottom left

Comments

the plot thickens!

Just went through the baptisms of his children from his first marriage, the first places his origin as Suire in Poitou, the 3rd as ''Cimalonge'' (not sure of writing), also in Poitou.

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Civray est une commune française, située dans le département de la Vienne, dans la région Poitou-Charentes qui regroupe trois départements : la Vienne, la Charente et les Deux-Sèvres. (il était écrit Chivray, mais c'est une erreur)

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L'actuelle région Poitou-Charentes regroupe 4 départements, les 3 que vous avez cité auxquels il convient de rajouter la Charente-Maritime.

Answer 1

To me, it looks like Chiurois or Chinrois. I don't know if there are actual places with those names, but that's what it looks like to me.

The end of the word kind of looks like a 'y', but if you compare it to "francois" in the entry above this one or "le Rois" on the left of the third line on the fourth entry on this page, I think the ending of the word is probably an 'is' with the old long 's'.

Answer 2

it looks to me as Chivray ??? but is it Civray in real French??

re transcriptions - sometimes on the spoken word or phonetics????

Answer 3

I would say that the place is Civray (now in Vienne, on river Charente). And the other place (on the 3rd baptism) is definitely Limalonges (now in Deux-Sèvres, 10 km west of Civray).

There was a discussion about him last year in a Geneanet forum, without a clear conclusion.

Comments

tiens, merci, le cousin Roger avec qui j'ai correspondu ça.   He hasn't found the first marriage either, which would possibly name parents and birth location.  

Answer 4

Could it be the town of Chinon?

Comments

I thought of that also, but Chinon is in Touraine, not Poitou.

Answer 5

Bonjour,

Le Poitou (en poitevin Poetou) est une ancienne province française, comprenant les actuels départements de la Vendée (Bas-Poitou), Deux-Sèvres et de la Vienne (Haut-Poitou) ainsi que le nord de la Charente et une partie de l'ouest de la Haute-Vienne. 

Essayez Chauray (Deux-Sèvres, France)

Cordialement

Comments

tiens, Poetou, ça ressemble à certaines prononciations encore existantes ici.    Merci du filon.

Answer 6

It's  in an area on the west coast of France. Homeland of many French Huguenots. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poitou

Comments

I know where Poitou is, the specific village or town name is what I am trying to locate.

Answer 7

It could be Chauray (but the archives - or at least the online archives - start in 1676 and are in a very bad state), and I didn't find in the following years any mentions of a Talussier ( https://archives-deux-sevres-vienne.fr/archive/resultats/etatcivil/n:100?RECH_commune_Libel=Chauray%20(Deux-S%C3%A8vres,%20France)|&RECH_commune_Md5=5cfac3c02a1c811a8df293713b599bf5|&type=etatcivil

then click E DEPOT 55 / 2 E 78-1)

It also may be Chenay, but I didn't find any Talussier around 1674 (https://archives-deux-sevres-vienne.fr/ark:/58825/vta140cb1d66f0e1eae/daogrp/0/1?id=https%3A%2F%2Farchives-deux-sevres-vienne.fr%2Fark%3A%2F58825%2Fvta140cb1d66f0e1eae%2Fcanvas%2F0%2F10).

It also could be Chaunay, but I didn't find any Talussier beetween1673 and 1675 (https://archives-deux-sevres-vienne.fr/ark:/28387/vta9417971e93e15660/daogrp/0/1?id=https%3A%2F%2Farchives-deux-sevres-vienne.fr%2Fark%3A%2F28387%2Fvta9417971e93e15660%2Fcanvas%2F0%2F44).

There is a mention of a Pierre Talussier from Poitiers in https://www.geneanet.org/releves-collaboratifs/view/5253/14600, but the date doesn't seem to fit.

Good luck for your search

Comments

Merci Dominique, le lien à Geneanet me donne une autre piste, c'est la première mention d'un Talussier dans la région trouvée.

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I think the Pierre Talussier mentionned by Dominique could be the father of Pierre Talussier-1. I found two records where he appears:

Marriage of Jacques Talussier and Suzanne Caillaud on 10 Feb 1698 in Poitiers Saint-Hilaire-de-la-Celle. What Dominique found is an index of this. Jacques Talussier lives in Poitiers (Notre-Dame-la-Petite parish), but if you read further you will find that banns were also published in Limalonges, where he was probably born around 1670-1671 as he is 27. Records of that period from Limalonges are unfortunately lost. His parents are Pierre Talussier (deceased) and Marie Grimault (living but not present).

Marriage of Pierre Tallusier and Marie Grimaud on 1 Dec 1669 in Civray. They are obviously the same as Jacques' parents.

If Pierre Talussier-1 is Jacques's brother, then he could be mentioned in his marriage contract, which is indexed on Geneanet, but you need to go to Poitiers to see the actual document.

Answer 8

Trouvé sur Filae: le 20 avril 1767 à Civray, Pierre Raignault épouse Marie Sureau. Il était veuf de Jeanne Talusier.

Voir les minutes notariales de Civray (https://archives-deux-sevres-vienne.fr/archive/resultats/notaires/n:96?Rech_departement_Libel=Vienne%7C&Rech_departement_Md5=6ddd0ee433dbf36f2b1eaf62565dccf0%7C&Rech_date_exacte=1767&type=notaires ). Peut être une piste pour retrouver des Talussier de Civray ?

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Merci bien Michel, en effet, c'est une piste intéresssante.