Thomas Wale aka Sir Thomas Wale

Question

On 19 Aug 2022 Joseph Putnam wrote on Wale-13:

I think this is the Same SIR Thomas Wale. Also if dates aren't exact He is the same as Sir Thomas Wale KG or his father. Also is the Fact History And Antiquities Of The County Of Northampton Baker Vol 1 list Wale Coat of Arms list the Same arms as belonging to the Wale family who where under Lord's and possibly Lord's of Eydon. by 1304/5 when Sir Thomas Wale, the mesne lord, granted the manors of Puttenham & Penn to "Roger son of John De Puttenham" by service of one knight's fee and a pair of gilt spurs.(6) In 1303 "the lady of Puttenham" apparently John's widow Alice, held Puttenham.(7 https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~mainegenie/genealogy/PUTNAM.htm

Answer 1

Sorry Joseph, but if we are to trust the Wikipedia page for Sir Thomas Wale KG, then the dates are a long way out and it would be impossible for the current profile of Thomas Wale, to be either Sir Thomas Wale, KG or his father.

That said, it would be better to find some more reliable sources, particularly primary sources, though as the Order of the Garter wasn't established until 1348, the dates in the Wikipedia article look to be about right.

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Thank you.

How does Sir Thomas Wale give land to John Puttenham if Thomas supposedly died before that date and the Sir Thomas Wale KG wasn't born yet. SO would the History and Antiquities book not be a good source? I'm going to try an dig around. Perhaps it was a mistake or it's fact that they share the same COA. I'm a little suspicious though.

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I also read Sir Thomas Wale KG father died in 1315. I believe that should be Thomas Putnam of Eydon.

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No, he is definitely named Thomas Wale, in several primary sources.  Including this inquisition post mortem (ipm) from 1343, regarding the manor named Wedon Pinkeneye in Northampton, where Lucy the widow of Thomas Wale, mentions her son also Thomas Wale.

I have seen no reliable sources at all, that state he was originally named Thomas Putnam, and although it is possible, no sources so far that connect the Wale family of Eydon, and this Wale family of Wedon Pinkeneye. 

Working with Pre-1500 profiles is difficult, but the only way forward on these profiles is to rely on primary sources, or at least secondary sources that cite primary ones.

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I never said his name was Thomas Putnam. So I'm not shure what you mean. My male line ancestor where originally Wale. They where from Eydon and by marriage took over Puttenham.  It's all here on WikiTree.com.

What do you personally consider a reliable source?