Wife of Charles Pierce 1807-1883 Middlesex, England. 2nd great g/father

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Charles Pierce married Jemima Glaister 1809-1887 but she is not my great great grandmother so he obviously married again.

Charles had 3 sons

 Charles 1834 -, Henry 1839-1902, Frederick Pierce 1846-

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I can't find these people in the records. Do you have a link to a census record or birth/marriage of someone you know for sure is your ancestor? I can work backwards from that.

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I can see the family in the 1851 census at Streatham, Surrey. I've got an Ancestry link https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/983260:8860?tid=&pid=&queryId=ca72493a8500c5d8bdda96f07e0338c8&_phsrc=zze12062&_phstart=successSource but haven't found them on FamilySearch.
They also had a son William born in 1850.

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Hello Mathew and thank you for your response. The link you found on Ancestry is mine. Charles father and mother are mentioned in the England Select Births & Christenings 1538-1975. My paternal great grandfather is Frank William Pierce 1852-1897 but I don't think this is the William you mention b. 1850.

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It wasn't me who found the link, it was Roy Walmsley! But in any case I was trying to suggest that you'd made a mistake in identifying this family as your relatives.

 'Anonymous Baker' below has already given an extremely full answer which I hope is helpful.

Answer 1

If the family found on the 1851 census at Streatham Surrey is the correct family, then the surname is not Pierce but Perrin.

A Charles Perrin married Jemima Rayment at St Bride's Fleet Street on 21st April 1833.

Their son Charles Perrin was born 6th February 1834/baptised at St Matthew Bethnal Green on 2nd March 1834 the son of Charles and Jemima Perrin, father's occupation Carpenter.  Charles did not marry and he died in February 1902/buried 21st February 1902 at Norwood Cemetery aged 68.

Son Alfred Perrin was born c 1836 at Dulwich.

Son Henry Perrin was born Q3 1838 Wandsworth district with mmn of Rayment

Son Frederick Perrin was born Q1 1846 Wandsworth district with mmn of Rayment

Son William Perrin was born Q2 1850 Wandsworth district with mmn of Rayment

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Hello and thank you for your response. However, the Perrin family is definitely not a relative. The 1851 census also shows Charles Pierce 1807-1883 which is my 2nd great grandfather.

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The indexing on Ancestry for the 1851 census is incorrect - the family name is not Pierce unfortunately. (See FindMyPast 1851 census, the image is much clearer and the name is definitely Perrin)

The family are living in Norwood Lane and the occupation of Charles (the father) is Timber Merchant - he dies, as Charles Perrin, on 14th April 1875 at Norwood Lane and is buried on 20th April 1875 at Norwood Cemetery.  Administration of the Will of Charles Perrin, late of Norwood Lane Carpenter and Timber Merchant, was granted to two of his sons, Charles and Henry Perrin.  His wife Jemima Perrin died 22nd May 1879, and she was buried at Norwood Cemetery on 28th May 1879 (the same two sons were granted probate of her Will).

The Charles Pierce who died 2nd November 1883 (your 2nd great grandfather??) was of 2 Lower Sloane Street and his occupation in 1881 was 'Supt. of Russian Embassy'.  He was buried on 8th November 1883 at Brompton Cemetery and probate of his Will was granted to Charles Alexander Pierce his son.

If I have located the correct Frank William Pierce, on his marriage certificate, dated 26th May 1890, he names his father as Charles Pierce deceased with the occupation of Engineer.

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Hello and thank you for the information of this Charles Pierce who was Supt at the Russian Embassy. I had looked at this person before but now that I have my DNA results I am hoping to find  more evidence. I have the confirmation of his being an engineer from the marriage certificate of F W Pierce, as you mention, and also of his father James. The missing link is Charles' wife, my 2nd great grandmother.

Regards, Doreen

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The Charles Pierce who died 2 November 1883 cannot be your 2nd great grandfather - his will, dated 6th September 1882, names his adopted son Charles Alexander Pierce as his Executor and residuary legatee after one small bequest to his niece Eleanor Leeks widow - there is no mention of any other family members.

Re: Frank William Pierce - although the census records that he was born c 1852 in Birmingham, Warwickshire, there is no birth registration in the Birmingham district for a 'Pierce' between 1850-1855.  As Frank is variously recorded as comedian/actor/theatre proprietor, is there a possibility 'Frank William Pierce' is a stage name and 'Charles Pierce, engineer' is a made up name for his father?

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Hello and thank you for the clarification regarding Charles Pierce mentioned in the will of 1882. I agree that this is not my 2nd great grandfather. In the Church of England Births & Baptisms of 1813-19? there is a record of  baptism in 1829 of a Charles Pierce being the son of James Henry Pierce (1776-1840) and Ann Rose (1777-1854). I now hope that this is the correct Charles. There is no family record of where/when my 2nd great grandfather was born.

Frank William Pierce (1852-1897) who was Theatre Manager/proprietor of the Ayr Gaiety Theatre is definitely my great grandfather and was known by older family members. My father and great grandfather were both engineers so it is likely that Charles was also.

I shall now investigate the Charles Pierce's born in 1829 and hopefully find his wife also.