Comments on Rose (Verdun) Hussey

Question

Her profile is orphaned, so I decided to move my comment here instead. Any thoughts?

On 16 May 2023 Ashley Jones JD wrote on Verdun-33:

I've been trying to figure out some source supported dates for this family. BHO makes mention of a man who is mostly likely her son Reginald/Reynold, who was conveyed property along with his wife, Eleanor, in 1293. (link here)

If her son was married by 1293, then he was born before 1273, and she must therefore have been born before 1258. Which is a big problem with her currently attached father who we can confidently source as born about 1248.

The only thing I can think of that might make this work is if her son was actually only betrothed to Eleanor in 1293, and still a child, but I don't know if that could actually be done. Would they have transferred land to a minor couple who was only betrothed, not married?

edit: The Visitation of Dorset 1623 only says she was "one of theirs gen'all of Theobald Vernon al's Verdon, lo Verdon." So maybe she could be a sister instead of his daughter?

Answer 1

Hello Ashley
The source you link to above, gives the deaths of Reginald and Eleanor as circa 1306 and circa 1308 respectively, and Rose Verdun/Hussey's father died in 1309, so I think Reginald and Eleanor are more likely to be her parents-in-law, rather than her son and daughter-in-law.

Unfortunately most of the existing profiles for members of  the Husee/Hussey family are very poorly sourced, if they are sourced at all, which does make it difficult to make any sort of valid judgement about where they all fit.

Comments

Thanks, John. Yes, there are a lot of issues and uncertainties in this line. I was hoping this might be one concrete point of data we can use to figure something out about them.

The Visitation only lists one Reginald/Eleanor couple in the line, shows "an heir of Theobald Verdun" as Reginald's mother, and we have that mother linked here as a daughter of Thebaud de Verdun.

So with the dates we know for Reginald and Thebaud, either we've made the wrong connection or the Visitation got something wrong. Or all of the above I suppose. Without something more concrete to link the relationships, it looks like at least a couple of these relationships should be marked uncertain here.