I need help to proof a Birthyear 1815 Sussex

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Hi everyone my extended relative ancestor Geer-1997 might be the son of James Geer like his Brother and Sister, but I couldn't find his Baptismal entry.

As I am in Germany and quite uninformed about doing research in the UK I hope someone can help me.

Answer 1

I agree that the Daniel Geer who married Anne Tully in 1843 in Brighton has a father named as James

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The baptism entry of Avice [Alice] in the original register doesn't look anything like Daniel. Avice is usually  a female  name.

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There isn't a baptism of a Daniel in Folkington in or near to 1815. He may not have been baptised, baptised in a non conformist church or may have been illegitimate and baptised with another surname.

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You are correct. I totally forgot that his fathers name was already listed at his marriage register as well

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Chased up James, tried to include everything I found with references.  I suspect there may be missing children. This is long because of the long sharing links so have to chop it in two.

Baptism at Folkington:

:1775

:Geere James son of John & Maria Geer bapt Dec'r  3

: East Sussex and Brighton and Hove Record Office; Brighton, England, UK; Sussex Parish Registers; Reference: Par 341/1/1/2 Folkington Combined Register, viewed on Ancestry [https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/9504331?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a2243705565375754774a61335079473475524a386f595a3363746c3751374b5a63447274763151354a576f593d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d Ancestry sharing link]

As a young man James went to Norfolk  (probably to find work). He returned to Sussex to marry.

Marriage at Ripe, 1796

:James Geere Lynn in the County of Norfolk Batchelor and Elizabeth Wenham of this parish, spinster were married in this  Church by Licence this ninth day of December in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and ninety six by me [signature, curate]

:Both made their mark, Henry Packham, George Lambert were witnesses

:East Sussex Record Office; Brighton, England; Sussex Parish Registers; Reference: PAR 462/1/1/4 Ripe marriage register 1755-1812 [https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/9504445?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a224f44432b51736e302f6a625449612b32503566317a3478454241475a4c567271326f336e4e4b65543765593d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d  Ancestry sharing link]

The couple had several children (see below)

In late June, 1837, ''James Geer of Folkington was loading some faggots on a waggon, which he had purchased for his own use, the waggon nearly went over , by which he was jerked with the load from the vehicle, whereby he had the misfortune to fracture his legs''

:British Newspaper archive, Sussex Advertiser,  Monday 3 July 1837 accessed 29 January, 2024

He was buried on 7 August, 1837 at Folkington

:James Geer Folkington 1837 August 7th, years 61

:East Sussex and Brighton and Hove Record Office; Brighton, England, UK; Sussex Parish Registers; Reference Number: Par 341/1/5/1, Folkington Burial register, 1813-1979 [https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/9504693?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22655033585a35722b72794852703156675865312b7942664839446d54316f474671314d424f4b466f3946303d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d  Ancestry sharing link]

His grave has a stone, photograph on findagrave (it is said to include his wife, it definitely includes his son Edward, unfortunately the stone has degraded and I couldn't read most of it in this photo)

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• Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/206730019/james-geer: accessed 29 January 2024), memorial page for James Geer (1775–7 Aug 1837), Find a Grave Memorial ID 206730019, citing St Peter ad Vincula Churchyard, Folkington, Wealden District, East Sussex, England; Maintained by Rosylinor (contributor 50125860).

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Probable Children included

Two children, both said to be children of James and Elizabeth Geer of Folkington  were baptised at the Ebenezer Chapel, Alfriston, Sussex (an independent  chapel)

: Edward born 11 March, 1803, baptised 1803

:Ann born 22 March, 1808, baptised 1808

The National Archives (United Kingdom); Kew, Surrey, England; General Register Office: Registers of Births, Marriages and Deaths surrendered to the Non-parochial Registers Commissions of 1837 and 1857; Class Number: RG 4;; Class Number: Rg 4; Piece Number: 2218 Alfriston, Ebenezer Chapel (Independent), 1801-1837

:[https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/9504986?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a224b533972726546545051734f78656d707048346247705745524b76486e714779636f2f524633317a4239513d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d Ancestry sharing link, baptism Edward]

:https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/9505040?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a225233316751434b79783152704e7276456d36434b42526657376c632f3266697655657339693479447632303d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d Ancestry sharing link, baptism Ann]

The 1841 Folkington census which you have on the profile includes 3 possible children of James and Elizabeth 

:Elizabeth born about  1796

:George, born about 1813 at his marriage his father named as James  [https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/9505407?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a224e714c316341476a4c77685862487177486370475239496d736e7661636d775851754f6e4b4d52357670633d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

 marriage George Geer and Hannah Burgess  at Firle, sharing link]

:Daniel born about 1815

: John born about 1817 at his  2nd marriage, father named James [ https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/9505537?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a2246386a4f52672f48596c474737385973384e667174625346776143537577396d4838447744575a4f34664d3d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d marriage John Deer widower aged 60 and Emily Peirce at St Nicholas Brighton, 1878 ancestry sharing link]

Note wife Elizabeth was buried at aged 75 on 19 Feb  1851 in Folkington wonder where she was in 1841

:East Sussex and Brighton and Hove Record Office; Brighton, England, UK; Sussex Parish Registers; Reference Number: Par 341  Folkington burial register [https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/9505754?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a226630713041524a326c4d336f5352766770655733574155717456386a742b6644646c552f6f584c624e57383d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d Ancestry sharing link]

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Thank you so much Helen. as for George, I found his Birth on FamilySearch (kind of, because it only transcribed and FamilySearch doesn't seem to tell where that transcript comes from)  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JM2C-LVF

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That's the same chapel as Edward and Ann were baptised in but I can't find the entry on the scanned images on Ancestry. On image 5 there is a bap. in1810 followed immediatelyb by one in 1816 then one in 1822, these.are followed by burials.  Image 26 onwards has more comprehensive coverage from 1816. Maybe there are some earlier pages missing from this section.

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Could be, or they are misplaced in order. Ancestry sometimes had this problem some years ago (especially for Geman Registers)

Answer 2

In Ancestry there is a baptism record for a Daniel Geere baptised on 1 May 1814 in Folkington, Sussex, England. Son of John and Mercy.

The name as transcribed is "Avice ? Daniel Geere"

Here is a sharing link to the image: https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/9479410?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a2269316b3237764c2b736f5043396c7359555549325559474a5237635a79795a6e2f5153772b6b2f486d58673d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

Here is a Sourcer citation:

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'''Baptism''':
"East Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812"<br/>
East Sussex and Brighton and Hove Record Office; Brighton, England, UK; Sussex Parish Registers<br/>
{{Ancestry Sharing|9479410|7b22746f6b656e223a2269316b3237764c2b736f5043396c7359555549325559474a5237635a79795a6e2f5153772b6b2f486d58673d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d}} - {{Ancestry Record|62049|2365081}} (accessed 28 January 2024)<br/>
Avice ? Daniel Geere baptism on 1 May 1814, son of John Geere & Mercy Geere, in Folkington, Sussex, England.
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Answer 3

There is a birth/baptism recorded at Jireh Chapel Lewes for a Daniel Gear - born 30 June 1814; baptised 16 August 1814 the son of James and Elizabeth Gear of Folkington.

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Could you please tell me where you found that? I searched now for over an hour and couldn't find any parish records for that church online.

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That's excellent. Found they have the records at the Keep, would love to know where online. Perhaps the other younger sons were baptised there.