Question of the Week: Were any of your ancestors involved in the American Indian Wars? [closed]

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As I was looking for ideas for the Question of the Week, I discovered that today is Buffalo Soldiers Day, and that got me thinking about the many, many struggles known as the American Indian Wars.

Have you found stories about any of your ancestors who were involved in any of these battles? Were they fighting for or against the Native Americans? Do you have any Buffalo Soldiers in your lineage?

 

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in The Tree House by Julie Ricketts G2G6 Pilot (488k points)
closed by Jillaine Smith
I struggle with you question because it seems to glorify the soldiers and negate the slaughter of millions of people. I am ashamed that my paternal ancestors were involved in the Cherokee removal in Tennessee and benefited by getting land. While on my maternal side a whole family save 2 boys were killed by Indians in horrific ways on the Oregon trail. Both boys then joined the militia to fight in the Oregon/Washington Indian wars. One of those boys ended up being a horse trader to the army during all the treaty negotiations leading up to Custer's last stand. I have his memoir.
One of the challenges of searching through my family history is coming across folks who made really poor decisions -violence, conquest, racism, drug dependency, etc.  I realize this is part of my history,  it makes me cringe, but it as part of my junk.  At the same time I am privileged to observe values of respect, kindness, tenacity and courage among many others.  It's all part of the story I tell the my children, nieces and nephews.  Lament the the "dark side" and celebrate the good.
My father's line was all from the south and I'm a 7th generation Floridian so most of the men in my line were involved in battles from the early 1600s when our first two ancestors came over from England. That includes the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. In my research I've discovered many of my ancestors on muster rolls for "indian" battles. I never made a list because that's not something I've researched being that almost all of our men went to battle at different times for different reasons on different sides. Also, I believe history is history. We are viewing it from different eyes today than they did back then. What different peoples did to each other hundreds of years ago around the world is terrible but we can't change that. What is going on today in other parts of the world is also terrible. We can try to change that. I believe we should let our past history stand where it's at and all learn from it as we chronicle the lives of our relatives and try to understand why they did what they did and become better for it.
The past is history.  It cannot be changed, but our perception of it changes every day.  To discover something about the past incorporates that knowledge into our lives and we have to process what we know into who we are.  My 3rd Grt-grandpa was eligible for bounty land in Iowa in 1855 for his military service.  The only record I can find is an enlistment in the US Army on 03 May 1837 in Baltimore, Maryland. If that is the correct person, he served in Florida during the Indian uprisings before 1840.  From other general knowledge we know that many Irish immigrants were recruited straight off the ship into the army, simply because it was paying work.

I have several family stories about encounters with Natives, but only one documented.  On March 15, 1697, when she was a 51-year-old widow, Mary Corliss Neff was serving as a nurse for Hannah Emerson Dustin and her newborn baby. The women and baby were taken captive when Abenaki Indians from Quebec raided Haverhill, killed 27 of the settlers, and took 13 captive.  The two women and a 14-year-old captive from Worcester, Samuel Leonardson, killed 10 of the 12 Indians who held them in captivity (they spared a mother and baby). They returned to Haverhill with the scalps, to collect the bounty that was in effect for killing Indians.
My maternal great-grandfather Abraham L. Ross, according to his gravestone, was involved in the 4th Seminole War as well as the Civil War.
I did find a great great grandfather who's headstone indicated he was a Pvt in Major Bogard's Rangers in the Black Hawk Indian Wars in Illinois. I've also seen reports of relative long ago living on the frontier around Greenbrier, VA being involved, and some dying, in encounters with Native Americans.
My Klingensmith family from Westmoreland Co., Pennsylvania had a fort Klingensmith that was raided by the Seneca Indians.

http://noel.mcn.org/Westmoreland/WhitePeter.htm
Julie,

I don't have any indans in my past, but I did some quick research for you and some things that may help you learn about the subject.

There are a number of videos on youtube:  The History of Indian Wars, Great Indian Warts 1, Documentary 2015 and others.

Then on History.com they have a great deal about the American Indian, battles etc.

I hope this might help a little bit.

Taylor
My 5X great grandfather Capt. Thomas Wilson of the Pennsylvania Militia originally fought Indians in central Pennsylvania when it was a very sparsely settled wilderness. He took his wife and children to Bald Eagle in what is now Centre County where he served as a regulator. The Indian attacks on settlers were frequent and brutal. The Wilsons were eventually forced back to Cumberland County. His militia command was the largest in the state. Their job was to defend the frontier borders against British and Indians during the. Revolutionary War. After the war he once again took his family to Centre County where he founded the village of Jacksonville.
While researching on my mother side and the Fines on her side had moved to Rhea County , Tennessee was in the American Indians War and and 2 of the Fine brothers died in it. That happened when they moved into Washington County, Tennessee from Virginia and before they went to Rhea County, Tennessee.
Hello. Yes, I did have an ancestor who fought in the war. Regrettably, he made bad choices. Slept with a sergeant's wife and they were caught. The Sargeant shot both the wife and my ancestor. My family changed their last names by flipping a couple of letters and adding an s at the end of the new name.
My sixth great-grandfather was killed in the Battle of Lake George in the French and Indian War.  His horse was shot out from under him and he was run through by a French soldier.  He was about 64 years of age at the time.  He was a member of the Mohawk nation and even though he was allied with the british he was also fighting other members of the six nations or the Haudenosaunee Confederacy.  Mohawk fought against Mohawk.  His name was Tiyanoga and I have my descent documented through research.
my g g G/pa was in Blackhawk war also was born 1811 in n.carolina…. moved to Kentucky by 1836 or earlier....he fought in the Illinois militia,but I can't find record of him living
Yes I have ancestor`s  who were . Samuel Stalnaker `s house was chosen as the meeting place for treating with the Indians by his Majesties Commissioners  AT the request of Chief of Cherokees held at Catawaba`s town  and  broad  River in March 1756.  He was also the first White man to discover Cumberland Gap. He was mediator between the Indians and  the early Virginia Government. ( BY the way was fro ENGLAND). He was a trapper and trader  with the Indians. There is a  Stalnaker`s Historic Marker in Chilhowie, VA  farthest West 1750

 People in different eras  lived different way of life at those times.  They lived the way they only knew at those times.

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Yes. I have ancestors that go back to the 1630's in Massachusetts, and they were already involved in King Phillip's War.  Later, others were in the army or militia during the French and Indian Wars, so in fighting the French in New England and points north, they would also have been fighting the allied Indians.  One of these did not survive the massacre at Ft. George, NY in 1757, which was portrayed in the movie "Last of the Mohicans" (starring Daniel Day Lewis).  Another returned from Canada with smallpox, which his whole family proceeded to fall prey to, some of whom died from it.

       After the French were defeated in 1763, when the Revolutionary War started, the Iroquois sided with the British.  I supposedly lost another ancestor in these struggles, perhaps even at Ft. Stanwix in upstate New York on the Mohawk River frontier, but after decades of searching, I can find no reference to him or to his fate.  Quite a few of my ancestors lived in this area, and they all were affected by the struggle, and some really horrible episodes can be found in local histories of present-day counties in the area.  Historians have stated that all subsequent U.S. Indian policies and attitudes can be traced to the horrific episodes which took place in the Revolution in upstate New York.  Gen. George Washington, who himself had fought the Indians and French at Braddock's Creek in what now is Pennsylvania, ordered the cleansing of western New York of the Iroquois.

      Then we can switch to my father's side, who were some of the first American settlers in North Florida in the 1820's, which fact invokes the Seminole Wars.  One day one of my ggggrandfathers went to visit his nearest neighbors, to find that all of them had been killed and scalped by the Seminoles, the only survivor being the family mother, who had been scalped too.     Later he and his family had fled to a fort, where they luckily got inside just in time.  The family behind them did not make it, and my ancestors watched all of them get killed and scalped before their eyes from inside the fort.  One of the Indians threw an infant baby in the air in order to spear it as it came down, but the baby laughed while in flight, and the superstitious Indians left the baby alive for my ancestors to adopt and raise to adulthood.

       Peace broke out after awhile, and this family moved to pioneer near modern Plant City, Florida.  Family stories mention that the Seminole chief, Billy Bowlegs, would sometimes stop by to visit, and my ancestors cut him out a side of beef if he was starving and hungry.  Later, the last Seminole War started, probably unjustly by the whites.  My ancestor was officer in a cavalry unit in this war, and the leadership of this unit got disciplined for failing to find the Indians.  I think that this might have been intentional.

     Switch now to Minnesota, and one of my ancestors became a casualty in the Sioux War in 1862.  He was a volunteer militiaman, and had no experience in Indian fighting.  I have been extremely fortunate to find out the complete story of his demise and the unit with which he fought, and anyone can read it at the profile, Stone-5681, directly from the contemporaneous accounts of a quite obscure skirmish.  I think Dee Brown's account of this war, "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" is an extremely biased and narrow-sighted view of this war.

      Last but not least, the Buffalo Soldiers.  One of my ex-wife's greatgrandmothers' family lived near Fort Menard, where the Buffalo Soldiers were stationed as occupation forces on the west Texas frontier. She was molested by one of these "heroes" in the years after the Civil War.  You didn't mess with her father, who had spent the entire Civil War dodging Comanches in the area; he up and took his rifle, and killed the first Buffalo Soldier he could---unfortunately, it was the wrong man.  So the famous Col. Ranald McKenzie, of MacKenzie's Raiders fame, came after "Humpy Jackson", the shooter.  They captured him when the supply horse he was leading went on the opposite side of a tree from that of the horse on which he was riding, and he fell off.  As he was called "Humpy" because of a previous back deformity, the Buffalo Soldiers thought he was severely injured by the fall, and took him to his house to recuperate before trial.  Humpy's neighbors smuggled in a pair of six-shooters to him, and he shot his way to freedom, killing two Buffalo Soldiers in the process.

     Naturally, this did not set well with Col. MacKenzie, nor the Buffalo Soldiers, and after they burned down the Jackson family home, they spent the next three years fruitlessly chasing him in an effort to recapture him.  He became a cause celebre among the citizens of the frontier, and a focus of anti-Yankee feeling.  MacKenzie decided something had to give, so he let it be known that if Humpy Jackson would come in and give himself up, he could be tried before a  jury of his peers/neighbors.  Jackson took up the offer, stood trial, and was acquitted.

       The Buffalo soldiers were brave and committed; the Comanches and Kiowa on that frontier were the "worst", i.e. the deadliest, of any Indian opponents in American history, and it is to the Buffalo Soldiers' credit that these Indians' threat was ended by hard-riding MacKenzie (the youngest man to make General in the Union Army in the Civil War), and the Buffalo Soldiers.  But whatever Bob Marley wanted to make of them, contemporaneous accounts of the Buffalo Soldiers made them out to be a lot of drunkards and very undisciplined.

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      There are two sides to every story, and certainly two sides to the Indian Wars.  They were racial and cultural wars that took place before the idea of Rules of War had really caught hold, most of the Indian Wars took place over a century before the Geneva Convention.  Indians only had vague ideas of land ownership or national organization, and fought as many or more wars amongst themselves as they did against the European Americans.  Some people might be sympathetic towards the Indians, and in some cases, this sympathy is deserved.  But all too often one reads of  really horrible deeds that they perpetrated, and this more than tempers any sympathy that could possibly be elucidated for the evil ones.
by Dan Sparkman G2G6 Mach 2 (25.7k points)
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Okay, I'm putting on my double-hat of both co-leader of WikiTree's Native Americans Project, and G2G Moderator.

Regarding the specific recent comments, wikitreers are strongly encouraged to cite sources for specific claims.  That should extend to g2g discussions as well.  And those sources, when cited, should actually back up/support the claim. David, you made very strong claims, including:

  • Native Americans wiped out about 90% of their own population in Indian on Indian wars long before the Europeans came
  • some Indians saw the Europeans as possible allies for wiping out their Indian enemies, and approached the Europeans for just that purpose
  • The Indian culture truly was based on murder and robbery [with additional more specific claims related to this]
  • What really angered the remaining Native Americans about European behavior was the senseless killing of animals.

The sources you added after the fact do not appear to support any of those claims. [It would also have been great if Dan S, author of the original answer in this g2g thread, had cited sources for several of the items in his answer as well. Hopefully, they are cited on the profiles of the people he mentions.]

In addition, David, the sources you did link to were written apparently by European-descended white folks during a time of great anti-Indian bias and should be relied on with great caution, especially if they make general judgments about Native Americans.  Remember: we should judge the quality of derivative sources by the extent to which they cite their sources.

Jessica, while David's words are strong and his overly-generalized claims unsubstantiated, I see him being equally appalled by both his Native and European ancestors. I also do not see anywhere that he says Native Americans deserved to be "genocided." So I am not sure how you derived that from what he posted.

All that said, David, your comments clearly inflamed others -- whether that was your intent or not, it was the impact of your words.  And WikiTree's purpose is to build a shared family tree, not to engage in political discourse, which this thread has veered into. There are other forums for that on the Internet.

I encourage all of us to consider the impact of our words before hitting the "add comment" button. 

And I specifically request that this thread be closed. If you want to say more, please contact me privately. 

Thank you.

Jillaine, my claims are substantiated by history, whether people want to acknowledge the veracity of those claims or not. The facts of history have nothing to do with the skin color of our ancestors (that is not saying our ancestors weren't prejudiced, and I do acknowledge that all races in the past and present have racist members). The facts are in all our history books and they reflect the actual events that occurred, and if people read the books carefully, they will see that even writers in the 19th century did not want to record those facts, but felt compelled to record the truth. 

It is just a matter of time before Wikitree will have to face all the facts of our tumultuous history, filled with horrifying examples of racism and hatred from all races. After all, our ancestors were flawed human beings just like us. Yes, we can understand the position of the Native Americans for wanting to kill invaders into their land, but we must also acknowledge the consequences of one race trying to kill off another race, and the result is always more violence. That is exactly what happened among our ancestors. And I think there is a valuable lesson here knowing that immigration is just as important a topic in present times, and if we are careful, we can avoid repeating the mistakes of our ancestors. However, we need to acknowledge the facts of the past before we can see the mistakes of the past.

I am just as horrified in learning the truth of the past as would be any other reasonable person. But my approach is to not rewrite history, or erase the parts I don't like, and you of all people on Wikitree should appreciate this position. We write the facts as they were, and in the period for which they occurred, and we do not rewrite history based on how we think our ancestors should have behaved. 

I will honorably share the references for the more gory parts of history for those mature enough to handle them, but only in private messaging. It was not my intent to create a heated debate on the forum, and I don't think it is a good idea for you ask people to bring the heated part of the debate to the forum, or to unilaterally pass judgment as though you have the final word on history. Let's keep the discussion at the Wikitree level where we can all participate, as genealogists.

Human beings have engaged in horrible ways with other human beings, probably since we first walked upright.  That has nothing to do with the history of the people who lived in the Americas for many thousands of years before Europeans arrived.  Those Europeans and their descendants have proved to be very poor at understanding what they have seen or and heard and then writing what they think is the history of Native Americans. Just because something is written in a book doesn't make it true.
Kathie, I'm glad to see the tone coming down to conversation level. I will help to keep it that way. Native Americans are also human beings, who also have a history. Unfortunately, they left no written history. Fortunately, the Europeans had a habit of recording history, as so when the French first came to the Midwest in the 1500s, we have written history for the Native Americans. Also, it is very fortunate that the French and the Native Americans coexisted very harmoniously and intermarried. The Native Americans were able to establish a dialogue with Europeans and relate their history to them as they knew it at that time. These are the closest historical records to the truth that anybody can produce, today.

The Native American history that you can read in the links I provided came from those Native Americans and Europeans who lived harmoniously in the Midwest for nearly 200 years before the English and the Virginians arrived.

I find it to be a valuable asset in understanding history if I go back as far as I can to read the writings of those who actually lived in the periods that I am interested in, rather than rely on modern interpretations. You may benefit from this approach, too. However, I warn you to be prepared for some very shocking lessons. Just a few days ago, I was researching some of my North Carolina ancestors and came upon a North Carolina history book. The page I opened it to told how the early settlers treated their slaves with dignity and provided them land, hogs, and garden space, and allowed them to live as families. Then a particular church passed a law that penalized not only slaves, but also slave owners for treating slaves as human beings. The penalties included having your ear nailed to a post for one hour, then the ear cut off. And then the other ear was nailed for another hour, and also cut off. The details as written in the book were even more disturbing that what I have just related. I was so disturbed, I had to stop working on that family. I am still haunted by this knowledge.

Expect the same thing when researching actual Native American history. I have read numerous disturbing incidents of both Native Americans butchering Europeans, and Europeans butchering Native Americans, and neither actions were justified in my view. Also, be particularly prepared to read about how Native Americans, even during the 1700s, would raid and slaughter entire Native American villages in the most heinous ways, and either just leave the scene, or pillage the village to sell the loot to the English, who were more than happy to pay for it.

I'm sorry to be the one to break this news to you, but these historical accounts are not written by prejudiced, Indian hating writers, but by writers who even apologize in their books for having to write some of these stories at all. Even back then, there were large populations of people who were seeking harmony among all people, and wanted to integrate our societies. The Europeans knew what it felt like to be the immigrant on someone else's land, and many of them did feel deep remorse and guilt when they saw the plight of the Native Americans and how they ultimately were removed from their homes.

I am please to report, however, that not all Native Americans lost their homes or were driven away. I am the profile manager for a family of Native Americans who lived among my own ancestors in Southern Illinois, and who still do. Even while the Trail of Tears passed through their own community, they successfully integrated with their European neighbors.

Please don't make the mistake of vilifying people who simple share history on Wiitree. It is not our fault that history can be so horrifying and disappointing at times.
Sorry, but I don’t believe that any European, even those earliest explorers and traders who lived among Native Americans, had any clue about what they saw and heard.  They wrote down what they experienced from their own perspective and to serve their own interests.  Many made accurate reports of what they saw but totally misinterpreted what they were seeing.  Just because an account is contemporaneous doesn’t make it accurate or true. White-written history is not Native history.   

And most of this has nothing whatsoever to do with genealogy.
Kathie, it isn't just one account of history, it is all the accounts of history. If you could direct me to a Native American account of their own history that is different, I would gladly read it.

And yes, history has everything to do with genealogy. Genealogy is a pixel by pixel account of history.

"White-written history is not Native history"

Kathie, also please refrain from using racist language. If you are quoting a historical source or speaking from a historical perspective, you can use the language of the period, but today it is racist to prejudge an entire group of people based on their skin color, or to imply that all historians must be white. Not all historians and writers about Native American history are white. 

And just as you are probably mixed race, so am I. I have a little bit of Middle Eastern genealogy, which is verified by DNA. And this does not take into account that both my children and numerous nieces, nephews, and cousins are in mixed race marriages. We are approaching this discussion equally as mixed race.

David, if anyone is being racist here, it's you. It's breathtaking to see you lecture an actual Native person about her own history and experiences.
There is nothing racist about saying that I believe an outsider cannot truly write the history of a group they are not part of.  I think that is especially true when the culture of other group is unfamiliar in virtually every way.  Some history is factual:  “In fourteen hundred and ninety two Columbus sailed the ocean blue.”  We can’t know everything that happened when he got here because the people who lived here first and experienced it directly were wiped out before they could write it down. They cannot tell their history, so we only have what the Europeans thought was important to record and remember, a very incomplete and one-sided version of events.
these two profiles need merging https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Luta-1

and
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Red_Cloud-11

David you are the profile manger for Red_Cloud-11
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I found this note about my 4th GGF Thomas Gooch (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gooch-247) in https://archive.org/stream/compendiumofhist00chic#page/740/mode/2up:

"Thomas Gooch, was a native of Virginia, a pioneer of Kentucky, and a renowned Indian fighter, making a glorious record in the campaigns of "Mad Anthony" Wayne, when necessity forced that distinguished warrior to take the field against the ferocious hosts of the forest.

I do wonder whether it's true or just a tall tale.  I haven't found other sources referencing this 'renowned Indian fighter'.

And if anyone knows the parents of this Thomas Gooch, I'd love to hear about it.

by Kerry Larson G2G6 Pilot (235k points)

Have you looked at any of Allan W Eckhardt's books?  I know he did a lot of research on the Ohio Valley.  https://www.amazon.com/That-Bloody-River-Historical-Fiction/dp/0553378651

I read That Dark and Bloody River and recall some of the Ohio campaigns being outlined.  Just be warned to have a strong stomach. I never knew the story of Col. Crawford.  I grew up in Columbus Ohio and would visit Ohio Village and the Col Crawford Inn but never knew the background.

 

According to Allen W. Eckert,  The man with the improbably name of Belteshazzar Dragoo was there when they killed the Indian, Reel Foot.  Belteshazzar Dragoo was my  5th Great Uncle.   Added inf.  Nicholas Wood another there at that incident, was killed when he and Jacob Straight set out to locate Jacob's sister, Elizabeth Straight Dragoo and son Billy (Indian Billy Dragoo) after they were captured by Indians in 1786 in Virginia (W. Va)  

Much earlier, one of my direct ancestors, Capt. James Sands died of wounds after fighting in the King Phillip's War.  I believe Capt. Sands was my 11th Great Grandfather, but definitely a direct ancestor.
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My husband's 2x great-grandfather, Julius T Brunk. 

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brunk-21

Obituary, The Republic, St Louis 16 Dec 1903

Funeral of Indian Fighter

Julius T Brunk, Seminole Veteran, Is Buried

The funeral of Julius T Brunk, the veteran Indian fighter, who died last Sunday, took place yesterday at his late home, No 2564 Warren St. Mr Brunk was 76 years old. He came to America when he was 25 years old and joined the United States Army.

He was in the campaign against the Seminole Indians in Florida. In 1856, he came to St Louis, and later was sent to Leavenworth, Kansas. He was in the St Ulm massacre where 8000 Sioux swept on the little Minnesota town in August of 1863. He is survived by nine children.

 

by Meghan Dewhurst- Conroy G2G6 Mach 2 (26.4k points)
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My 6x great uncle Alexander Cavett -On September 25, 1793, Cavett's Station (home of Alexander Cavett and his family) were attacked at their homestead just outside Knoxville, by around 1,000 Cherokee and Creek warriors who massacred everyone present. This event was a very important part of early Tennessee History and was named "Massacre at Cavett Station."

by Summer Orman G2G6 Mach 9 (94.9k points)
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nO, My greatgrandfather was asked by General Custer to go to the Indian wars after the Civil War and he refused.
by Living Philley G2G Crew (650 points)
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Entered this profile last night Alonzo Bowmen [[Bowman-7056|Bowman, Alonzo]]. Indian Wars Medal of Honor recipient for action in 1881. Died from gun shot wound in 1885. This profile still need a lot of work. Not a relative. Working on Medal of Honor recipients from Maine.
by Francis Sibley G2G6 (8.0k points)
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My great-great-grandfather enlisted from Nebraska to fight against the Sioux, thus earning a Civil War pension since the enlistment occurred during the Civil War.  This question makes me realize that I haven't even added his Civil War service to his Wikitree profile.  Oh, well.  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Coulter-895  

As part of the Cemeterist project, I've been slowly researching and adding profiles of (eventually) everyone in my hometown cemetery.  One of them is Josephus Bingaman, who was interviewed about his service in the Indian Wars.  If you follow the link to his Find-a-grave page, you'll see his current temporary marker which I'm working with descendants to replace.  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bingaman-145

This question made me realize that I *really* need to get to work on these two profiles (and about a thousand others).
by J. Crook G2G6 Pilot (229k points)

This question made me realize that I *really* need to get to work on these two profiles (and about a thousand others).

 

You, and me, and everyone else, as well!! There just aren't enough hours. :-)

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My 3GG got scalped in the Battle of Wyoming! Several others were involved in the 'Westward Expansion' with the ensuing battles and skirmishes.
by Bryan McCullagh G2G4 (4.6k points)
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Yes my husband's 3rd great Uncle Alfred Ernest Allen .Born -1847 in Melton Mowbray,Leicestershire,England. Died - 25 June 1876 Little Big Horn Site.Big Horn County, Montana USA. 

There is a website about Alfred Ernest Allen, that myself and father in-law passed on information about Alfred's life. Anda news article about him - Victim Of An Epic Last Stand.

Men With Custer ...http://www.menwithcuster.com/01/

Name Fred E Allen
Rank Pvt
Death Date 25 Jun 1876
Death Location Little Big Horn River, Montana
Collection Title Registers of Deaths in the Regular Army
Volume Nhttps://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=5966684umber 6  

Web: Montana, Find A Grave Index, 1864-2012

VIEW RECORD

Name Pvt Alfred Ernest "fred" Allan
Birth Date 14 Aug 1847
Age at Death 28
Death Date 25 Jun 1876
Burial Place Crow Agency, Big Horn County, Montana, USA
Household Members
Name Age
Pvt Alfred Ernest "fred" Allan

 
by anonymous G2G1 (1.9k points)
We live in Australia, so must make a trip one of these days. And reminds me ....I need to work on my husbands family and add him to Wikitree. !
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I spent several months last year working on people with US counties named after them. It was interesting, but also depressing. So many of them were Indian killers and slave owners. (Some were both.) I learned a lot about Indian Wars, including many I'd never heard of before. For example, I worked on George Armstrong Custer, who had hoped to parlay atrocities and massacres against the Indians into a run for the White House.

One thing I've learned about the later Indian hostilities, after the US Civil War and after the railroads crossed the nation, is that most of the black soldiers who stayed in the Army after the Civil War were sent west. About a third of the cavalry who rode over the hill to the rescue for pioneer settlers were black. I wish they would teach us things like that in school. Too bad Hollywood has portrayed them all as white, too, over the decades.

Insofar as my own family tree, they are well represented in early New England hostilities against the locals such as King Philip's War, Pequot War and French & Indian War. Since my family's either long-rooted New England or more recent arrivals to the USA, any participation in the western "wars" - even "Tippecanoe and Tyler too" in Indiana - was more distant cousins.
by Living Winter G2G6 Mach 7 (78.7k points)
One of my relatives, Sgt. F. Company, Henry Drago was in the list of the men left behind, but he was with Major Reno and caught up with the battle and was injured.  He died 4 years later of his wounds.  He was from the Toledo, Ohio area.  His grandfather or great grandfather, Peter Drago (Indian Pete) was a nephew to Belteshazzar Dragoo mentioned in the Allen Eckert article.  Indian Pete and Frederick Dragoo were brothers taken captive by Indians.  Frederick Dragoo was my 3rd Great Grandfather and escaped or left the Indians to later serve in the PA militia in War 1812.  Indian Pete stayed with the Indians around Chatham, Ontario and married a Midi Indian girl and had 3 sons.
You mention Midi girl? This term is unfamiliar to me. Are you sure it isn’t a bastardization of the term Metis (accute accent on the “e”). This French word was/is a person with both aboriginal and European ancestors?
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My great grand uncle, William H Battin was killed in action near the Tongue River in Montana on January 3, 1877 by some of Chief Crazy Horse's warriors. He was part of a rear guard that was in a column of soldiers of the Fifth Infantry commanded by Col Nelson Miles. They were pursuing Chief Crazy Horse and his warriors through a blizzard. The rear guard was ambushed. He is buried at Custer National Cemetery near a monument to fallen soldiers from Fort Keough.
by Don Castella G2G6 (6.4k points)
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My 6GG is Chief Patkanim of the Snohomish Tribe.  "Patkanim, Chief of the Snoqualmie, Snohomish and allied tribes, signed on Jan. 22, 1855, the treaty which ceded to the United States all the lands from Elliott Bay to the British line."  

https://journals.lib.washington.edu/index.php/WHQ/article/viewFile/6581/5653
by Shawn Dixon G2G Crew (590 points)
+12 votes
Not any Buffalo Soldiers, but my great grandmother's brother was a courier for General Custer in the 7th cavalry prior to Little Big Horn.  Recorded in his diaries in 1874 and 1875 were many encounters with Native Americans, including killing many of them as he fought to save his own life delivering messages through hostile Indian country of the Dakotas and Eastern Montana.    On one occasion Custer's horse delivered him severely injured and bleeding back to the Fort.   Another occasion,  an Indian arrow wound pierced his arm  as his pistol shot ended the Indian's life.   One episode describes being captured by Chief Red Cloud,  as well as  describing his escape.

The other side of the coin, after discharge from the Army and working at an Indian Trading Post near the Gros Ventre Reservation he fostered two children with the daughters of the Indian Chief.  The youngest, a son, grew up in the Reservation and became a prominent leader within the tribe.

His writings clearly indicated mixed feelings of following orders and uncompromising  efforts to save his own life, and at the same time quietly expressing his disdain for some of his superiors and the American Government disregard of signed treaties with the Indians,  harsh treatment of the Indians and random killing of their their important buffalo food supply.
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+10 votes
My relative Nathan Hatfield [[Hatfield-2069]] was a Captain at the Seige of Ft. Meigs (Ohio) during the War of 1812.  During a visit to the Fort I picked up a very interesting book on some of the native personalities involved, and learned a lot about the tribes of the area and their experiences before and after that time.

I have been a bit surprised that I have not been able to find much about him and his family, given that he was a Captain at a (relatively) famous battle.  He started a family and moved to Illinois but have not found many primary sources for further information.  Work continues!

Andrew
by Andrew Hatfield G2G1 (1.2k points)
+10 votes
A 9th generation direct ancestor of mine was John Shattuck (b 1647) of Watertown.  There is a lengthy story about him and his experience in "Philip's War" at my family history blog:

https://wordpress.com/people/followers/morrillelrodweb.wordpress.com
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Mankato (MN) Citizen Soldiers . May google  The Dakota Trials. The New Ulm Massacre. My ancestor LT. Alvin Montgomery Collins was a soldier and also a wheel-wright and builder. He fought the Indians and built the scaffold for the largest mass hanging in US history. In 1864 he joined the US Army and was sent to Chattanooga TN to reinforce the garrison there which had seen heavy fighting and received major damage.
+12 votes
My first North American Ancestors were Micmac, and then one of them married an Acadian (Maria Theresa/Charles Petitpas), and the family seem to have had a close relationship with the MicMacs (taking refuge in the forest with the MicMacs during the deportation of Acadians by the British).  However, they also seem to have been opportunists, as they apparently sided with the British pre-deportation.  Why?  I'm not sure.  Pragmatism, perhaps?  They seem to have been willing (from our looking back in time, but not knowing because we weren't there) perspective to side with whichever side sided with them, but so far as I know they never fought against any Indians, unless they assisted in the decimation of the Beothuks, which is a possibility.
by Judith Jordan G2G1 (1.1k points)
+9 votes
I am second cousin 4x removed to Custer-109 (General George A)and his brothers. Though I feel some pride in his success during the war between the states, I also feel shame for his participation in the slaughter of native Americans.

As [https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/user/Johnstone-1158] said, above, "Lament the the dark side and celebrate the good."
by Natalie Trott G2G Astronaut (1.4m points)
+10 votes
I don't, but my ex son-in-law does and I have been searching for my granddaughter's paternal ancestry. I have found g-g grandparents and 3x great grandparents in the MI census, confirming they are of Indian or "red" race. A 4x great grandmother is listed on find a grave as the granddaughter of an Indian chief who signed a treat with General Cass. On her death certificate her father is listed as John Wendego (Wen-De-Go, Wendigo), she is Julia Wendego married to Daniel Hart, their son Joseph Hart married Nell Bloomfield, and their daughter Julia Ann Bloomfield married Frank John Carpenter. They are from the Chippewa tribe in Saginaw county, Michigan. I would like to find more info on John Wendego and his father. John would have been born about 1800-1820.
by Mary Britton G2G Crew (780 points)
+10 votes
After the Civil War, the Michigan 1st Cavalry under Custer wasn't mustered out like the rest but were ordered to go fight the Indians. My great-grandfather Nathan Ehrmann refused to go. I'm glad he had the courage to say no. I' doing some research now on the ones who went and died.
by Shirley Davis G2G6 Mach 3 (39.0k points)
+8 votes
Yes indeed, one of my ancestors was Chief William McIntosh of the Original Creek Nation in Georgia and Alabama. Therefore, there is no doubt about it. He was with Andrew Jackson  during the Creek Indian Wars. They were at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend, Alabama.
by Howard Rankin G2G6 Mach 3 (40.0k points)

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