ALso need merge of Filles du Roi Tessier and Terrillon [closed]

Question

Genevieve Terillon and Genevieve Tessier are very likely the same FDR

LNAB needs to be confirmed first and profiles cleaned up.

https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Tessier-119&action=edit

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Térillon-1

 

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could you tag French roots project on this please?  We know she came from the city of Troyes, maybe they can find some evidence for the name.  French roots, please see note on https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tessier-119 on name and alternate mother possiblity from Jetté

Answer 1

I agree, these seem to be the same person.  I checked the relevant acts in LAFRANCE, and the result is a bit confusing.  The marriage act lists her as Tecier, but her name on the baptisms of her children have her name as Terillon or a spelling variant.  Gagné lists her as Térillon.

Fichier Origine doesn't seem to have an entry for her, so it's likely that her baptism has yet to be found.  Gagné only had an estimated year of birth.

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The profile states that the contract has her name as Tessier, and the act itself uses Tecier.  I'm thinking Tessier is probably the best guess for the LNAB, as usually in these cases we would want to look to the earliest record available.  We could treat Térillon as a dit name.

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same woman, but name is definitely in question, after marriage never used Tessier.

Answer 2

I'd go with Tessier, per Tanguay and La Société d’histoire des Filles du Roy.

The PRDH-IGD ( https://www.prdh-igd.com/en/les-filles-du-roi ) reports: Genevieve Terion / Tessie

La Société d’histoire des Filles du Roy ( http://lesfillesduroy-quebec.org/images/Les_Filles_du_Roy_par_annee_d_arrivee.pdf ) reports: Geneviève Térillon / Tessier

The census of 1681 reads: “Pierre Delbec 30 ; Geneviève Terrien, se sa femme, 28...”

Tanguay, Volume 1, p. 173 and 325 says her parents were Nicolas Tessier and Barbe Gauvre

Answer 3

oy!  another one in my tree, oh boy!  Let me do some checking on her, Tanguay altered names to his era's ''standards'', so do others,

Set them as unmerged match until more data found.

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The WikiTree project Filles du Roi ( https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Filles_du_Roi/List_P-Z ) has her listed as Geneviève Térillon. No source is referenced for that determination.

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George, she gets listed as Tessier/Tecier on her cancelled marriage contract and on her marriage, and after that Tessier never gets used again.

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Even using the BMS (baptêmes, mariages et sépultures), it can still be difficult to ascertain which is the correct original surname. Having looked at over 2000 original acts or record for my own name, I have found many varaitions and in most cases, I ignore them, accepting they were probbaly just sloppy writing or ignorance on the part of the scribe.  My own family name is on a number of landmarks in France, so that is usually taken as the standard.  This is part of the reason that PRDH tries to use a standard form of most names.  They have a feature where you can look at all of the variaitons that they have found.

https://www.prdh-igd.com/en/dico/noms

Using, this, Tessier and Terillon ARE NOT variations of eachother, so where do we go from here?  I lean towards Tessier as that is what PRDH uses as the standard from. See families 4083 and 3982.

 

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PRDH in their listing of filles du roi list her as ''Terion Tessier'' https://www.prdh-igd.com/fr/les-filles-du-roi PRDH FDR list #18901

I am very leery of going by a ''standardized'' name as that can be totally misleading.

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Here is the full list of PRDh variants of Tessier and Terion / Terillon. They are NOT variants of each other.  Even if we found a parish record of her baptism, marriage or burial, we still could not say with absolute certainity that that was how the name really should be. 

Standard name	Variant	like.	Frequence
tessier	desier		6
tessier	taisier		3
tessier	taissier		2
tessier	tassier		4
tessier	tayssier		3
tessier	tecier		108
tessier	teinsier		1
tessier	teisier		3
tessier	teissie		1
tessier	teissier		72
tessier	tescier		127
tessier	tesie		13
tessier	tesier		102
tessier	tesseier		1
tessier	tessie		371
tessier	tessier	X	14269
tessier	tessiers		12
tessier	tessiez		5
tessier	testier		7
tessier	tesxier		2
tessier	tetier		37
tessier	texcier		10
tessier	texier		1336
tessier	texiez		1
tessier	textier		2
tessier	teyssier		52
tessier	teyssiers		0
tessier	tezier		21
tessier	thecier		67
tessier	theissier		1
tessier	thesie		19
tessier	thesier		264
tessier	thesiers		3
tessier	thessie		84
tessier	thessier		1789
tessier	thessiers		6
tessier	thetier		8
tessier	thexier		8
tessier	theysier		1
tessier	theyssier		10
tessier	thicier		1
tessier	thysier		6
tessier	tissier		8
tessier	xier		2
Copyright © 2018 name Variant like. Frequence terion terillion   1 terion terillon   10 terion terilon   2 terion terion   9 terion therion   3 Copyright © 2018

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While Fichier Origine does not have a document for our Tessier or Terillon, they do have a number of other Tessiers. I chose a Pierre Tessier / Texier.

Pierre tessier / Texier baptized Feb. 19, 1696 La Rochelle, ((St-Jean-du-Pérot)

http://www.fichierorigine.com/recherche?numero=300107

I found his baptism and it is clearly Texier which is a variation of Tessier as PRDH have.

Archives en ligne : Registres paroissiaux, pastoraux et d'état civil, Charente-Maritime, La Rochelle, St-Jean-du-Perot, image 192 of 549. Baptism of Pierre Texier Feb. 19, 1696.

http://www.archinoe.net/v2/ad17/visualiseur/registre.html?id=170035132

 

 

 

 

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oh sure, there are lots of Tessier, but there are also other Terillon/Terion.  She does not come from the same area as the Tessier you mention, she comes from Troyes, in Champagne.  I just found evidence that the name Terrillon existed in Troyes:

http://www.archives-aube.fr/arkotheque/visionneuse/visionneuse.php?arko=YTo2OntzOjQ6ImRhdGUiO3M6MTA6IjIwMTgtMDMtMDkiO3M6MTA6InR5cGVfZm9uZHMiO3M6MTE6ImFya29fc2VyaWVsIjtzOjQ6InJlZjEiO2k6NztzOjQ6InJlZjIiO2k6MTc3NTtzOjE2OiJ2aXNpb25uZXVzZV9odG1sIjtiOjE7czoyMToidmlzaW9ubmV1c2VfaHRtbF9tb2RlIjtzOjQ6InByb2QiO30=#uielem_move=313%2C-306&uielem_rotate=F&uielem_islocked=0&uielem_zoom=105

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Hi Danielle: Good work finding where Genevieve is from. I see that Nos Origines has the information, but they rarely give sources.  Where did you find the information?

I see there are lots of Terrillons there and some Terriers.  Interesting, as I had always had her as Terrillon in my own family tree.  I found her in Nos Origines a few years ago. I don't usually give them a lot of credit.

I don't see the baptism we are after, but certainly enough evidence for the last name.

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her origin is given on her marriage record.  there are also some Terion before the Terillon.  Just don't know which parish she was in, there are several in Troyes and that site keeps giving me only that listing that includes several parishes.  :(  And since we don't actually know the year of birth, and that thing lists no parents, don't quite know how to proceed to find her.  Need help from our friends in French roots project.  They are more familiar with how things are set up over there.

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French roots cousins, could you take another look at this please to see if you can find anything on her family?  Still in unmerged matches months later.  

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I've scrounged around the Department of Aube website. There are 10 year tables for all the parishes of Troyes. I couldn't find Genevieve in the 1641-1650 nor the 1651-1660 baptism tables. See here: http://www.archives-aube.fr/ark:/42751/s005568329b319e0/5568329b4b4d7 (Archives de l'Aube, Etat civil de la ville de Troyes. Saint-Denis. 1651-1660 pg. 165). However, there is a lot of Terrier and Terrillon names. There are no Tessier last names. I wonder if she had either of these names and then upon arriving on Quebec was called Tessier because of the prevalence of the name.  Migrations.fr has her from Saint-Nizier. I went through the baptismal records for Saint-NIzier from 1652-1654 and didn't find her.  Also of note is that St-Nurel doesn't exist, at least regarding the Archives de l'Aube so I'm not sure where that came from.  Sad to not figure this out but am leaning towards having Terrillon as LNAB and Tessier as "other last name". Just my two cents though. 

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I also went through the original baptismal records for any parish in addition to St-Nazier in Troyes that had them available for 1653 and looked between 1652-1654 and couldn't find her anywhere.

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I agree with Kyla, Terillon is much more common in Troyes than Tessier.

Is the image of the marriage contract available? I assume that is where the information about Saint-Nizier comes from, and it could give other hints.

The name of her mother is also unclear. I think Vériot is just another bad reading of Térion and should be dismissed. However Gauvre does not seem to be common in Troyes.

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I think we're still at the same point - there is no remaining trace of her or her parents in France. That leaves two solutions - leave the merge pending or use the spelling in the earliest primary document that mentions her.

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I believe the marriage contract just says Eveche de Troyes. I’m not sure where migrations.fr got the saint-Nizier information

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ok, Migrations site got the St-Nizier from Yves Landry, who doesn't cite where he got particular data along the way in his listing.  Have uploaded her marriage record to her profile.  It is unfortunately the copy that was sent to central registry and not the one kept in the church, there's not a single signature of witnesses anywhere on the page.  They weren't all illiterate by a long shot.  And FamilySearch have the same thing, that's where Migrations site get their copies and it is identical.

Don't know where the extra name Jeanne comes from for her mother, Barbe Gauvre appears to be the best reading of her name on marriage record.  Maybe you can read it differently.  

Guess I have another contract to check up in archives downtown.  sigh.  One of these days I actually will get down there.